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quattro-digest Sunday, 26 January 1997 Volume 04 : Number 163
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* In this issue:
Pulling to right '93-95 90 Quattro
How to set idle on '87 5KCSTQ (Long)
Source for '90 CQ front rotors????
Re: Dead Horses
Re: quattro-digest V4 #160
"Centennial Series"
Ned Hoppen TAP
Audi TT
Re: Ned Hoppen TAP
Re: 86 CD Turbo with Auto
Re: A4 1.8T
Re: removal of air bag for horn
Re: Synthetic Oil & Stuff
Re: Neat Audis in Switzerland
Geneva Car Show
Re: removal of air bag for horn
Re: A4 1.8T
Re: Pulling to right '93-95 90 Quattro
Re: Die-Hard(er) Battery for 1990 200 qtw
Ur q big brake question
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From: dmiller@iea.com (Doug Miller)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:41:16 -0800
Subject: Pulling to right '93-95 90 Quattro
My younger brother has a '95 90 Quattro that has pulled to the right since
he bought it 15 months ago (it had been sitting at the port for some reason
and he got a great deal because it was the previous model year). Before he
bought it, I told him to specifically ask if it had been damaged in any way
and if there was any mechanical reason it was sitting in the port. The
dealership assured him it was not damaged, for what that is worth. He also
discovered the pull within a week of delivery after ruling out improper
tire pressures, etc and the dealership assured him they'd take care of it.
During the ensuing months, he has been through the mill with the dealer,
and among other things was told the alignment is within spec and there is
nothing more to be done.
To the point: In asking around informally, he has heard that the pulling
problem is not entirely uncommon and asked me to check with the experts in
such matters - my fellow listers. Does anybody know of such a problem with
the '93 - '95 90 Quattro sedans? Much appreciation in advance.
Doug Miller
dmiller@iea.com
97A6Q Wagon, 93 LandCruiser w/diff locks (and well used skidplates), 71
LeMans Sport V8 Convertible. Cannondale Super V 900 Comp.
------------------------------
From: "Kurt Wesseling" <kwessel@enm.maine.edu>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:16:36 +0000
Subject: How to set idle on '87 5KCSTQ (Long)
OK, I got the Bentley manual on my car, and I'm STILL uncertain
what that screw, needle valve adjustment or whatever it is on the
front of the intake manifold is called! (Idle speed adjuster?)
I do know it greatly affects the idle speed of the car when I turn
it. I've done this with the green terminal wire on the coil
disconnected.
Is there a way I can correctly set the idle speed with this screw
without needing to disconnect crankcase breather hoses and owning
the VW 1367 tester Bentley talks about? Anyone know how many
approximate turns this screw should be set at?
I know it is not set correctly now because ever since I began
messing with it (mistake) I've lost performance when I stomp the
accelerator.
I also occasionally get idle speed variation when at a stop light
from 1000 to 3000 rpm, other times idle climbs to 3K rpm and stays
there. Doesn't happen all the time, though. (Idle stabilization
valve?)
Other than these minor and intermittent irritations, the car runs
great!
Any suggestions/comments appreciated.
- --Kurt
'87 5KCSTQ 121k miles
______________________________
Kurt Wesseling
Technical Support Center
The Education Network of Maine
800-696-4357
______________________________
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From: RELAYER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:35:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Source for '90 CQ front rotors????
Well I took my rotors in to be turned and they are below spec (DAMN). The
parts guy quoted me $84 per rotor (NO WAY).
Does anyone know a good (CHEAP) source for Audi rotors, and better yet,
anyone know where I could find some drilled or slotted rotors for the Couope
Q??
Thanks for your help!
/\ _I Christian J. Long
/ \ I_I I_I I Orlando, Florida, USA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1990 Coupe Quattro Red/Black, K&N cone, BBS wheels, 80K
1990 90 Gold/Tan, 70K
Past Audis: '80 5KT '84 CGT '85 CGT '87 CGT2.3 '875KCST(was Dad's)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Huw Powell <human@nh.ultranet.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 97 16:20:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Dead Horses
- -- [ From: Huw Powell * EMC.Ver #3.1a ] --
>US lamps produce *far* more glare (light where it doesn't belong). (Doug
Miller)
Yeah, I just flash *everyone*! OK, not really, but it oughtta be illegal to
drive in traffic with a pair of 100w lights on your bumper aimed *at* the
oncoming cars. (I encountered two tonight) Ooooooh, a sore spot! Hard to
have a sense of humor and forgiveness on that one. But seriously, you're
right. My truck has a pair of Bosch (?) 7" lights with normal wattage H4's
and they must be the euro pattern because there is this beautiful sharp line
limiting the low beam illumination. Opposing traffic doesn't even enter it
until the last half second or so. Wish everybody had them.
Huw Powell
HUMAN Speakers
It would be inconvenient if peaceable citizens were
constantly in imminent risk of being robbed and murdered.
Bertrand Russell
http://www.thebook.com/human-speakers
------------------------------
From: Mike Jundt <mjundt@mr.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:13:17 -0800
Subject: Re: quattro-digest V4 #160
> From: DNUS5023@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:55:45 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: HOW BAD IS A REPAIR ON CENTER SUPPORT BEARING 4KQ 86
>
> Quattrotistas,
>
> Am looking at an 86 4kq that I heard about right here (thanks Dan!). I am
> told it has a bad center support bearing. My mech. said it could cost up to
> $1000.00 to repair. This is a guy that has been working on my 84 coupe fwd
> for years and I trust his initial evaluation, although he has not fully
> priced it out yet.
>
> Any feedback on the job would be apprciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> John
>
John, I had a similar experience with my 86 5KTQ. The dealer said that
Audi specifies that you replace the entire prop shaft assembly. That is
why the $1000 cost. I talked to another dealer that was a little larger
than the dealer I usually went to. They told me that they had found a
bearing (sorry, don't happen to remember the part number) that would
work as a replacement. They had done this on both 4000 and 5000
quattros. I left the prop shaft with them and drove the car for a day in
front wheel drive while they replaced the bearing. They put the unit
back in and it worked great. Total cost of about $150. The dealer who
had the info on the bearing was: Valley Imports in Fargo, North Dakota.
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:37:03 GMT
Subject: "Centennial Series"
In message <199701260034.TAA25195@host.osha.igs.net> "Lino M. Valadas" writes:
> "CD" on the Canadian versions of the US' "CS" stands for "Corps
> Diplomatique".
"CD" certainly predates 1986. I sold a 1982 80CD last year.
Also, I think the "CS" trim level over here (they're very rare) is lower than
the "CD" trim level.
Years ago, in Germany, I drove an "80S" for a while. It had no carpets (just a
rubber composition sprayed into the footwells), no cigar lighter, no radio, no
clock, no courtesy light, and no fog lights.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: Mann Law <mannlaw@indy.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:39:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ned Hoppen TAP
Bill:
I too have found a couple of the guys at Schaumburg to be
helpful, but I've never spent money there. Don't know how good they are.
As for 20v technology, I would put Hoppen WAAAAAAAAY above TaP.
With Ned above Hoppen [much easier to get answers from IMO]. After
seeing an TaP prepped S4 in the One Lap break [and after reading Scott's
post on trying to help it] I would not spend money at TaP. Some people
have good things to say about Hoppen's place. I called once for some
info on parts for my 89 200tqw and whoever I spoke with told me I had the
20v in my car. Hmmmmm. May have been a fluke though. Know a guy with
an S6 wagon that has done a bunch of business with Hoppen--nothing but
praise.
I like Ned. If his prices are higher, I write it off as only
having to do the job once---unlike some stuff I have read here on TAP.
Scott, am I wrong about the S4 problem?? As I recall, you
thought it was a TAP induced failure. no?
Bruce
------------------------------
From: Pete Kraus <Pete_Kraus@EMORY.ORG>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:34:01 -0500
Subject: Audi TT
Just received an elaborate, artsy 20-page sales catalog (show catalog?)
printed in German and English on the Audi TT coupe. Both the catalog
and the car are dramatic, to say the least. The idiosyncratic styling
manages to be simultaneously retro and avant-garde. To me it's
intriguing and immensely appealing. But I'm not entirely convinced
prospective buyers will share my view. With the likes of BMW,
Mercedes-Benz and Porsche introducing technically competent but
more mainstream designs, I can't help wondering (and hoping) there's
room for Audi in this segment of the marketplace.
Specs for the TT include the 150hp 1.8 liter turbo engine, 5-speed
manual transmission and, of course, AWD. 0-100km (approximately
0-62mph) acceleration is listed at 8.0 seconds, top speed at 140mph.
Vehicle weight is 2694lbs. This sounds roughly competitive with a
4-cylinder BMW Z3 (which may be speed-limited in the U.S.), but the
Z3 doesn't display anything approaching the attention to detail lavished
on the TT, nor does it enjoy the estimable benefits of AWD. Also, the
TT is at least nominally a 2+2.
What do others on the list who are acquainted with the TT think of its
styling? Of its likelihood of success? Audi's pricing policy certainly
may be a determining factor. Does anyone know how much they go
for?
I still have the elaborate German language A3 catalog I offered to swap
a while back. If anyone is interested, please contact me directly. And
thanks to jazman for his episodic thriller on Audi's '86 Commemorative
Design series. Great stuff!
Pete
Pete_Kraus@emory.org
Stone Mountain, GA
'85 4KSQ
'89 Ford F250 4x4 diesel
'95 Z28
------------------------------
From: QSHIPQ@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:45:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Ned Hoppen TAP
In a message dated 97-01-26 18:16:20 EST, you write:
<< I too have found a couple of the guys at Schaumburg to be
helpful, but I've never spent money there. Don't know how good they are.
>>> They are, in my opinion, good..... Their quest for understanding the
q's is continuous, Craig Jones (service manager, and bb t-body conversions)
has done a MC equipped turbo 4kq, and his involvement in getting tweeked
audis to the street, including a US A8 with a tiptronic conversion (using
radio controls), and getting Audi USA involved from the performance/warrantee
coverage, earns him my respect. Some of the executions of ideas sometimes
come up short, but I don't give all my secrets away anymore.....
As for 20v technology, I would put Hoppen WAAAAAAAAY above TaP.
With Ned above Hoppen [much easier to get answers from IMO]. After
seeing an TaP prepped S4 in the One Lap break [and after reading Scott's
post on trying to help it] I would not spend money at TaP. Some people
have good things to say about Hoppen's place. I called once for some
info on parts for my 89 200tqw and whoever I spoke with told me I had the
20v in my car. Hmmmmm. May have been a fluke though. Know a guy with
an S6 wagon that has done a bunch of business with Hoppen--nothing but
praise.
>>>> I would moderate that some in this story: A good friend of mine who
owns a Tap modified S6 sedan, got scared by all the TAP bad press, and called
Ned to convert his computer. Ned indicated, that his mod wouldn't give any
more performance than TAP, and the TAP mod was "pretty good"
Hoppen is dedicated 20vtq conversion specialist, his chips are connected to
one of the best audi computer tuners in europe, and his conversions first
rate. His prices are too.
>>>>>
I like Ned. If his prices are higher, I write it off as only
having to do the job once---unlike some stuff I have read here on TAP.
>>>> I won't take the bungee jump with you on this bruce. I find Ivor
agressive in his mods, the means to the end NO different than Ned's.... His
tenacity and commitment to the audi specialized products is first rate, and
will continue to be a player in the q performance (and that is not an
endorsement). His SAMCO built IC to t-body hose deserves him the credit
above anyone else for solving a persistent nag with the q's... And it
deserves him every penny of the 115USD he demands, regardless of what he paid
for it....
>>>>
Scott, am I wrong about the S4 problem?? As I recall, you
thought it was a TAP induced failure. no?
>>
No, the specifics of the problem were in relation to a incorrectly installed
rear shock (sold by, but not installed by, Ivor). When Todd Candey and I
went to reset the "koni adjustables" we found a moron with a impact wrench
had overtorqued the spring cap nut. The hex shaft broke below the nut, and I
called the competitor, and advised him of the problem, and further advised
him NOT to continue, in the interest of safety (One Lap is a track to track,
bogey time Lap, rally this past year). His call to Ivor got him the advice
to keep running, for that I disagreed, that safety call by phone could have
proved deadly. I found that on the reckless side, tho I've also seen Ivor
drive.... To Ivors credit, he did find an application replacement within 2
days and had it shipped to a free zone stop in KC...
HTH clear things up
Scott
------------------------------
From: Sdbigelow@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:18:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 86 CD Turbo with Auto
In a message dated 97-01-26 14:23:52 EST, you write:
Oh yes, the button for the cruise
control is broken, is this a hard / expensive fix as well?
David in cold Canada
86 CD 5spd Turbo
>>
I just installed a new combination switch from Autobahn (ask them nicely to
mail it) It was about $200CAN taxes in. Fixed a couple of problems, including
intermitant cruise.
YMMV
Steve Bigelow
Cold Ottawa ON
84 5ks
82 Coupe
------------------------------
From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:42:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: A4 1.8T
In a message dated 97-01-26 01:26:19 EST, grankin@itis.com (Gene R. Rankin)
writes:
<< Just saw the Car & Drivel brief review of the A4 1.8T, and was shocked to
see that it has a mere 150 hp - precisely as much as a <gag> Neon, which
is probably lighter, to boot. What possesses Audi to send us such
wimpmobiles? >>
Drive the Audi and drive the Neon. If you like the Neon, buy it, but you
might want to consider joining a different list.
------------------------------
From: audidudi@delphi.com (Jeffrey J. Goggin)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:46:26 -0700
Subject: Re: removal of air bag for horn
>If you decide to live on the edge, be advised that Audi air bags have a
>built in back up power supply in the form of a large capacitor. This is to
>ensure the bag deploys normally in the event of a crash so catastrophic the
>power is cut during the impact. Wait awhile *after* you disconnect the
>battery to ensure the bag does not have residual power - an hour would be
>on the safe side.
I'm sure it's a different design but I removed the airbag wheel from my 200q
without any problems ... believe it or not, but I just followed the
directions in the Bentley manual. (And, Yes, when the time came to remove
the wheel from the car, I DID stand off to one side, just in case...)
BTW, has anyone else converted their airbag-equipped car over to a MOMO?
The combo switch in my '89 200q was of a different design than the one in my
'87 5k and while the hub adapter itself fits, the horn doesn't work. I
temporarily solved this problem by having an adapter machined to fit but it
squeaks and I haven't been able to solve this ... since my combo switch is
starting to show signs of needing replacement, I've been wondering if the
early-style switch from a non-airbag 200q will work instead? I've checked
with MOMO and they list but one hub adapter for these cars, and the guy I
talked with clearly didn't want to discuss anything that had to do with
removing the airbag ... guess the lawyers have them scared pretty well!
Any advice will be appreciated ... and spare me the lectures about airbags.
I've researched this topic quite thoroughly (been following it since I
started engineering school 18 years ago) and am comfortable with having made
the decision to remove the one from my car...
_________________________________________________________________________
_ _
/ | _| o | \ _| o Jeffrey Goggin
/__| | | / | | __ | | | | / | | audidudi@delphi.com
/ | |_| \_| | |_/ |_| \_| | http://people.delphi.com/audidudi
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:43:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil & Stuff
In a message dated 97-01-26 02:38:29 EST, e6941tb@gnn.com writes:
<< I personally wish that ba**ard to encounter an engine seize-up some day,
BEFORE his lease expires! >>
But after the warranty is over.
------------------------------
From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:48:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Neat Audis in Switzerland
In a message dated 97-01-26 09:16:47 EST, crossley@Northwest.com (Crossley
Family) writes:
<< 2) Several A4 Avants. These are really nice looking units. Perhaps AoA
might consider bringing this model to the US.? >>
Coming in the Fall of this year, if one is to believe Audi officials quoted
in the press.
------------------------------
From: "Paul E. Rivera" <rivera@deltanet.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:51:02 -0800
Subject: Geneva Car Show
Hey folks:
I will be attending the Geneva Car show next month and wondered
if anybody on this list will be there as well.
If you will be, let me know the dates. I will be driving from Milan
on MArch 06, and will be at the show the 7th. If you want to hook up,
please let me know. I will have press credentials soi maybe I can sneak
us into some parties even though the press days are a week before my
arrival.
The new A6, Passat, Passat Wagon, S4(Avant and Sedan)will be on display.
Porsche is thought to have the Boxster S and the new 911 as well.
MTM in Germany is rumored to have a V8 A4, Get that!?!! and they may
show it at Geneva.
Speaking of car shows, how about the September Frankfurt show?
Anybody in Europe in late September want to go?
My A4 is scheduled to be built next month. Cannot hardly wait!
Just wish for Euro delivery!!!!!!!!
PAul Rivera
So. Cal Quattro Club
90 V8
A4 in process!
------------------------------
From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:56:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: removal of air bag for horn
In a message dated 97-01-26 14:30:33 EST, dmiller@iea.com (Doug Miller)
writes:
<< If you decide to live on the edge, be advised that Audi air bags have a
built in back up power supply in the form of a large capacitor. >>
As do virtually all air bag systems.
Please take some friendly advice: Live with a single horn button or get the
dealer to perform the service. Pyrotechnics are all well and good, but only
in the right hands.
------------------------------
From: "Psychotic Don't-you-dare-tickle-me Elmo" <honge@creighton.edu>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:59:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: A4 1.8T
> Just saw the Car & Drivel brief review of the A4 1.8T, and was shocked to
> see that it has a mere 150 hp - precisely as much as a <gag> Neon, which
> is probably lighter, to boot. What possesses Audi to send us such
> wimpmobiles?
Well, if you want to look at it in the sales-pitch view (like comparing
bhp number), look at what A4 provides that Neon does not -- 5-valve per
cylinder; turbo (which means a lot easier performance boost); virtual
steering that almost eliminates power steer tugging game; AWD; really cool
pop-up headlight washer; 16-inch wheels; and last and not least -- four
rings fore and aft -- which means you're not meeting one of the same copy
every 2.5 minutes.
On the other hand, if you're me-too kinda person, go for Neon.
- ------------- clip here with virtual scissors --------------
************************************************************
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From: ScharfR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:01:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Pulling to right '93-95 90 Quattro
In a message dated 97-01-26 14:40:32 EST, dmiller@iea.com (Doug Miller)
writes:
<< My younger brother has a '95 90 Quattro that has pulled to the right since
he bought it 15 months ago .......
snip
During the ensuing months, he has been through the mill with the dealer,
and among other things was told the alignment is within spec and there is
nothing more to be done.
To the point: In asking around informally, he has heard that the pulling
problem is not entirely uncommon and asked me to check with the experts in
such matters - my fellow listers. Does anybody know of such a problem with
the '93 - '95 90 Quattro sedans? Much appreciation in advance. >>
Pulling is a very common problem with the 90s of this generation, the front
drive cars all the more so. There is a long litany of technical bulletins
and service procedures. If he has not received satisfaction from the dealer,
he should go up a level to the regional Audi contact. The dealer will (must)
provide the name.
A quick question: Has the dealer ever been able to make the problem go away,
even temporarily? Quite often a good alignment works, but then things
gradually deteriorate.
------------------------------
From: "J. Sala" <jsala@skynet.uah.ualberta.ca>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:19:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Die-Hard(er) Battery for 1990 200 qtw
My personal experience with Die-Hard is not good. I come from a long
history of North American and Japanese vehicles (before I saw das licht),
all outfitted with Die-Hards. There may have been a time when they were a
premium battery, but IMO that time is long past, and they are now resting
on their laurels with a second-rate product. Especially evident here in
the harsh northern climes.
The worst part of it is, that like Sisyphus, once you invest in the first
one, you are eternally damned to forevermore going back to Sears with more
cash to replace the soon to be defective battery for a pro-rated new one
until you "Die", or you throw away it's exchange value and pop for a
different brand, which is "Hard".
Just my opinion.
- --
Jon Sala
Clinical Engineering jsala@skynet.uah.ualberta.ca
Walter McKenzie Centre 0D1.00 http://skynet.uah.ualberta.ca
University of Alberta Hospitals (403) 492-6711
Capital Health Authority
8440 112 Street
Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA T6G-2B7
------------------------------
From: EICHSTEV@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:18:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ur q big brake question
The parts are all together now for the brake system to be installed on the
Not So Ur q. I have G60 calipers with Brembo crossdrilled calipers for the
front with V8 rear vented brakes for the back and a V8 25mm master cylinder.
The MC fits beautifully on the stock ur q brake booster when used with the
spacer found on a 90 20V MC (sorry, don't know the P/N).
With that lead in, I am wondering if there is any FACTORY proportioning valve
setup which would allow me to adjust front/rear brake bias without going to
an aftermarket valve like the Wilwood or Tilton pieces. I like using factory
pieces whenever possible in my project unless absolutely necessary. If I
didn't, those nice 4 pot 944t calipers would be going on...
Steve Eiche
'82 Not So Ur q 3B2B
P.S. Anybody have an RS2 exhaust manifold and turbo they want to get rid of?
Cams would be nice too. OK, just thought I'd check.....
------------------------------
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