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Dutch auto show 1997 (some Audi cont.)
Re: A4tQ Idle vibration
Re: Dutch auto show 1997 (some Audi cont.)
Re: All those looking for S4 Euro lights...
Re: Sunroof blues
Re: A4:Lowering/GALA/pillar noise
I am owner Audi100
Re: (no subject-really)
Re: FCC, bare minimum audi content
Re: Audi 4k strikes again
Re: (no subject-really)
Re: Bombing Audi?
FCC, bare minimum audi content
DC Get together Idea
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From: tnas@euronet.nl (Tom Nas)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 12:18:12 +0100
Subject: Dutch auto show 1997 (some Audi cont.)
Hi all,
Yesterday I visited the bi-annual Dutch auto show, the AutoRai, in
Amsterdam. Always an event to look forward to, this year it was even larger
than two years ago. Handy hint: if you want to have fun, go there with a
bunch of friends, if you want to see everything, go there alone. I went
with a bunch of friends, it was a lot of fun, but there's still a lot I
haven't seen.
The show was light on premieres: we got the new BMW 5-series Touring (spot
the difference from the old one), the new Mitsu Galant (still looking 10
years out of date) and that's about it. After some wrestling, I saw the
Boxster 'in the flesh' for the first time, as well as the Mercedes CLK and
the Ferrari 550 Maranello (Ferrari meets Mitsubishi 3000GT). The new
Prelude is no great beuty either, but the Volvo C70 looks good (although
not in brown metallic!)
Awards for the best-looking appearance went to Audi and Mercedes, who had
both chosen for a second floor on their stand, and the use of lots of
good-looking wood to create a classy atmosphere. Audi had put two A3s,
partially covered in concrete, in front of the exhibition building, which
drew the attention a bit already. The actual Audi stand was even better,
with a model race track where you could discover the advantage of AWD for
yourself, and a nice display of cars. They could have dispensed with the
tap dancer performing on the roof of an A3 as far as I'm concerned, but the
S8 (yummy!), S6 plus Avant and various A3s, A4s and A6s in top spec were
there, as were the A4 Avant Duo and the Cabriolet.
VW was the major spectacle on the show, proving the safety of their Polo
(recently acclaimed top honours for safety by a consumer organisation) by
driving one, manned by stuntmen, off a ramp into a waiting scrapyard car
every day (impact speed: 40 km/h). The Polo had a scratched bumper, leaking
radiator and broken headlights while the scrap car had been reduced in
width dramatically. The new Passat was very much admired. The VW, Audi,
Porsche, Seat and Skoda stands were all in one hall, Skoda drwawing the
crowds with the A3-derived Octavia. Judging by the amount of interest
(people usually didn't give Skoda a second glance) this is going to be a
success. Audi A4-like space for a Golf-like price, with quite classy looks:
it deserves success IMO.
The thing that really made my day was seeing Biela's BTCC A4Q in the
motorsports hall. Wow! While my friends looked on in amusement, I
photographed it from all possible angles. Too bad I couldn't take a closer
look at the technical side...
All in all, a great show. Too bad I have to wait another two years for the
next one... Now, first let's get my _four_ rolls of film developed and
printed!
Bye,
Tom
PS My mental note for next time: take even more films, go even earlier and
don't go during the weekend...
_______________________________________________________________________
Tom Nas Zeist, The Netherlands
tnas@euronet.nl
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From: kawo@internetizen.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 03:58:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: A4tQ Idle vibration
vibration when stopping?
yes, same here.
I found out that when the rpm drop to 700,
the car will vibrate.
Kawo
On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Phil Payne wrote:
> In message <s2feec30.055@sdt.com> Cenk Tunasar writes:
>
> > Anyone experiencing such an idle vibration, especially when coming to a stop?
>
> Brakes repressurising?
>
> --
> Phil Payne
> phil@sievers.com
> Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
>
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From: Allan Jones <ampj@tiac.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:14:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Dutch auto show 1997 (some Audi cont.)
Tom Nas wrote:
> Boxster 'in the flesh' for the first time, as well as the Mercedes CLK and
> the Ferrari 550 Maranello (Ferrari meets Mitsubishi 3000GT).
Does that mean you don't like the 550? I'm not too fond of the
3000GT, actually I don't like it at all, so would I not like the 550 in
person?
> Prelude is no great beuty either, but the Volvo C70 looks good
IMHO the Prelude is NASTY!!
> S8 (yummy!), S6 plus Avant and various A3s, A4s and A6s in top spec were
> there, as were the A4 Avant Duo and the Cabriolet.
Could you please explain the S8?!!!? How much performance,
styling, and luxury is involved?!! How does the A3 hold up in person?
What is the A4 Avant Duo?
The new Passat was very much admired.
How does it look in person - looks nice in pictures.
thank you, allan
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From: Bfuson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:18:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: All those looking for S4 Euro lights...
Avi:
I got mine through the dealer, total parts price was less than $50 for both
lights. Don't know about the price now glad to check if you're interested.
Bill
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From: Bfuson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:18:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Sunroof blues
I had something similar occur on my 86 4KCSQ, and also on the power sunroof
of an '85 Quantum.
On the 4K, it occurred during cold wx, and I used a combination of degreaser
and WD-40 (called what I had available at the time) to clean out the runners
and guides. Then I re-lubbed it with a light weight white lithium spray. No
problems since (approx four yrs ago I'd guess).
On the Quantum, I tried the same treatment, but it seemed to have more of a
fibre type cable on it (at least it was more visible) and my attempts at the
same solution made little discernable difference. Sold the car soon
afterwards so I don't know if I really just made it worse or not.
It the roof was running at normal speeds, and just stopping early, or not
stopping in the closed position I'd say that it's the micro-switches out of
adjustment. That is a current problem with my wife's 100. Sometimes it just
won't even try to move, other times it works fine except that it doesn't know
when it's full open, full closed, or..... When this happens it just
transitions to the next direction and keeps right on moving.
Bill
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From: kawo@internetizen.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 04:34:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: A4:Lowering/GALA/pillar noise
About your pillar noise.
Man I complain to my dealer ( Carlsen Audi in California)
two times. They said they could hear at the time they
checked it! They said it is normal even the seat belt
is moving area and make noise.
I am the one who drive it everyday.
The noise is really annoying.
Yes, it is from the seat belt area.
If U push the pillar, U can hear the noise.
I will try to go to another dealer, and ask
them to fix it for me.
Kawo
> last question: i've also read numerous posts in the QUATTRO LIST about pillar
> noise. my car seems to rattle near the front seat belt fasteners. the
> noise comes and
> goes, and it annoying. has anyone had similar rattles, and has anyone
> actually had
> anything done about it?
>
> thanks for any info.
>
> ps. if my post looks odd, sorry, i had some cut&paste problems
> --
> chris
>
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From: MVW00001@teleline.es (MVW00001)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:39:43 +0100
Subject: I am owner Audi100
I am not very glad with my car because:
On May 1990 I bought an Audi 100 2.2 liters gasoline, 5-cylinders and
automatic transmission. In October 1992, when the car had 106,000
kilometers
(66,000 miles) the gear box broke down. At the official service
dealership
they told me that I had left it without Automatic Trasmission Fluid (ATF)
liquid. My immediate response is that *they* left it without ATF liquid,
since I passed all revisions and nowhere am I told that I have to watch
the
level of ATF liquid. After looking up in their computers they tell me
that
it is correct and that the ATF liquid had never been examined.
Then they tell me about installing a gear box refurbished at the factory
with
its own warranty, and that the shop would pay for half of the bill, which
means that the ordeal costs me 240,000 Pesetas (US$1,850).
In the month of January 1997, when the car has 278,000 Kms. (172.800
miles),
after a trip, I see that the car is leaking oil and when I check all
fluids
I
observe that the car is low in ATF. I refilled the container and I took
it
to the official service. They first tell me that it's the torque
convertor
and that they will order one for me. Once this was mounted they tell me
that
the gear box is in bad shape, with worned down pinions, and one bearing
destroyed. They tell me that the repair will cost me 660,000 Pesetas
(US$5,080) because AUDI does not allow that the gear box is repaired in
any
official service dealership, it only allows for exchange with another gear
box.
And I ask:
Is it normal for an automatic gear box to only work for 150,000 Kms.
(93,200
miles)?
Is it normal that with the kilometers/mileage that it has, my car now
needs
its third gear box?
Doesn't Audi know how to build automatic gear boxes?
Does this gear box have any known design flaw?
Is it normal that the Audi dealership tells me that the warranty period
has
expired already?
By this math, the next gear box could last me only 20,000 Kms. (12,430
miles)
and it's my turn to pay again.
Should I change manufacturer?
Does anybody know how to repair these gear boxes?
If you can help me in anyway, I would really appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Luis I. Pastor Turullols
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From: Robert Myers <rmyers@inetone.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:03:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: (no subject-really)
Unfortunately, Dan, two or three cold ones (while you may feel that you are
OK) can and will and does impair reaction times, vision, and judgement. If
you're gonna have two or three cold ones, do it at home or with a
two-or-three-cold-ones-less or otherwise stone cold sober designated driver.
If you have even one cold one, don't drive. Call that cab. Or stay home.
At 11:35 PM 2/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> Just to make a point here....
>
> I am in college and consider myself very responsible, but people DO drink
>and drive all the time in college. Fortunately most people know when they've
>had to much and call a cab (or, I tell them call me....anytime).
>
> But, my biggest problem is when the buerocrats say they are going to crac
>k down on drinkng and driving. What do they do???? Why, they lower the legal
>drinking limit again! I am thoroughly against this and I feel it causes more
>trounble than it is worth. Of, course, no one should drink and drive, but the
>fact is, it happens. But, I would rather have the guy who's tanked and on the
>road get arrested rather than me after 2 or 3 cold ones. Even if people who ar
>e just at the limit are off the road, big deal. The people who are way over th
>e limit and are a real threat are still out there. Get the picture.
>
> Later,
> Dan
>
___
Bob
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From: "Louis A. Mulieri" <lmulieri@zoo.uvm.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:33:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: FCC, bare minimum audi content
I received this message about FCC charges for internet access.
Since it documents it's source I thought it worth the BW.
Berthann
1988 5kcstq; 125 k and counting <----audi content
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:47:37 -0800
From: Patrick Douglas Crispen <crispen@CAMPUS.MCI.NET>
Reply-To: TOURBUS-Request@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
To: TOURBUS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: TOURBUS -- 13 FEBRUARY 1997 -- EDUPAGE / FEAR AND LOATHING AT THE
FCC
FEAR AND LOATHING AT THE FCC
- ----------------------------
Over the past couple of weeks, you may have received e-mail letters telling
you that
Many local telephone companies have filed a proposal with the FCC
[The United States' Federal Communications Commission] to impose
per minute charges for Internet service. They contend that use
of Internet has or will hinder the operation of the telephone
network.
At first, I thought that this was simply a new version of the old "modem
tax" hoax (http://www.eff.org/papers/eegtti/eeg_83.html#SEC84) that has
been floating around the Net since *1987*. After all, the current FCC
story has all of the markings of a classic urban legend:
1. It uses official-looking language;
2. It mentions a government agency or an organization with
which everyone is familiar;
3. It contains a plea for you to take some sort of immediate
action; and
4. It requests that you forward the warning letter to as many
people as possible.
Besides, according to an article that appeared in this morning's Edupage,
ONLINE COMPANIES ASK TELCOS, "WHERE'S THE BEEF?"
Tired of telephone companies' complaints that Internet usage is
overwhelming their network capacity, the Internet Access
Coalition has released findings contending that Net usage is, in
reality, a bonanza for the Bells. The study found that local
carriers received a total of $1.4 billion in 1995 in revenues
resulting from the installation of second lines in homes, while
spending only $245 million to beef up their networks for the
additional usage. A Bell Atlantic spokesman says the real
problem is that the telcos have no idea when a line will be used
for data rather than voice, and thus tied up longer. Both sides
agree that the ultimate solution is higher capacity networks.
(Business Week 17 Feb 97)
Well, out of curiosity -- and out of a deep-felt desire to avoid studying
for the two major economics tests that I have next week -- your fearless
bus driver decided to call the FCC in Washington to see if anyone there was
willing to talk about this rather explosive issue. Unfortunately, I soon
discovered that the FCC only has one employee, she is a secretary, and her
job is to transfer all incoming telephone calls into voice mail hell. :)
Actually, I talked to some nice people at the FCC who faxed me a 10 page
explanation of what's *really* going on. Unfortunately, the 10 page
explanation was written in "FCC-ese," so I am going to have to translate
their explanation into English for you (and I can assure you that, since I
know *NOTHING* about telephony, my translation will probably contain a few
inaccuracies; if it does, please let me know).
First, some local telephone companies have indeed asked the FCC to allow
them to assess a per minute access charge on the telephone lines used by
Internet Service Providers. Local telephone companies currently charge
long-distance carriers (like AT&T and MCI) an interstate access charge for
the long-distance traffic that travels over their local lines, and the
local telephone companies would like to see this charge extended to include
the high-speed lines that your local Internet Service Provider uses to
access the Internet.
In December, the FCC rejected the telephone companies' request and
tentatively concluded "that the existing pricing structure for information
services should remain in place." In other words, the FCC has tentatively
concluded that Internet service providers should *NOT* be subject to the
interstate access charges that local telephone companies currently assess
on long-distance carriers.
The FCC now seeks the public's comments on this conclusion.
Unfortunately, the "warning" letter that is currently circulating around
the Internet gives the impression that some sort of sinister operation is
afoot here, that the FCC and the telephone companies are trying to sneak
this proposal through without anyone noticing, and that it is up to each
and every one of us to stop the evil FCC.
What garbage. In fact, the FCC has, at least tentatively, REJECTED the
telephone companies' proposal. The FCC is now simply asking you if you
agree or disagree with their decision.
The most disappointing aspect of this whole situation is that because of
the misinformation that has been distributed across the Internet over the
past couple of weeks, the FCC has received 100,000+ e-mail letters, most of
which flame them for making a decision that EVERYONE AGREES WITH! Hands
down, the flaming of the FCC is one of the Internet's most shameful acts
ever.
I also discovered another thing about the FCC that increased my respect for
their organization one-hundred-fold. Part of the 10 page explanation that
the FCC sent me states that their "existing rules have been designed for
traditional circuit-switched voice networks, and thus may hinder the
development of emerging packet-switched data networks." Because of this,
the FCC is also seeking the public's comments on the implications of the
Internet and its usage through the public switched telephone network.
Folks, *ANY* government agency that stops and says 'hey, we can ALWAYS use
some more information so that we are better prepared for whatever happens
in the future' has earned my respect and admiration.
By the way, most of the information that I have shared with you today can
be found on the FCC's "ISP" homepage at
http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html
If you would like to send your comments to the folks at the FCC (the
deadline for comments about their decision not to impose interstate access
changes on Internet service providers is Friday, February 14th), make sure
that you check the FCC's ISP Web page first. At the bottom of this page
are some pretty specific instructions on what you need to put in the
subject line of you e-mail letter before you submit it to the FCC.
Personally, I'm going to leave the poor folks at the FCC alone for a while.
They seem to be doing a great job in the face of unnecessary (and
misinformed) opposition.
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From: RCARSELLE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 09:29:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Audi 4k strikes again
To answer your question...many of the folks on this list read European Car,
and in late 1994 the magzine purchased a 4000 Quattro in need of repair and
updating...they printed a series of articles called Project 4000. The issue
dates and topics are included here :
DEcember 1994 - Overview and Project Goals
Early 1995 - Glass installation
April 1995 Euro Headlight Conversion
May 1995 Wheel and Tire upgrade
July 1995 Suspension Upgrade
August 1995 Wheel Bearing replacement
October 1995 Brake repair and upgrade
November 1995 Window regulator upgrade
March 1996 Bushings and suspension
April 1996 Cambelt and water pump
June 1996 Air conditioning upgrade
October 1996 Project update issue
March 1997 Exhaust system upgrade
I hope this list helps guide you to a back issue that may help you .... no
affiliation here just a reader.
RC
90 90
88 5KCSTQ
Rob Carselle - Columbus, OH
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From: trishab@interwebb.com (Trisha Blethen)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 09:33:14 -0800
Subject: Re: (no subject-really)
Alexei M Voloshin wrote:
>
> Just wondering, anybody know how many people are killed by drunk drivers
> compared to other type of auto related deaths??
>
> > But, my biggest problem is when the buerocrats say they are going to crac
> > k down on drinkng and driving. What do they do???? Why, they lower the legal
> > drinking limit again!
>
> It doesn't matter. Drinking limit does not deter anybody underage,
> especially in college. Getting alcohol is no problem no matter what age
> you are!
> This country is young. It still has a lot to learn about such matters -
> give it a few hundred years or so.
The incidence is VERY high in comparison. Part of the problem is the
education the kids get in driving schools also. They really need some
life experience simulation stuff to see just how scary this stuff can
get. Imagine if every driving school had a simulator......
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From: "M Tipton" <miktip@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:40:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Bombing Audi?
Dan Hussey wrote:
Then, they showed some of the testing they did. They had an Audi 5000
turbo (or 200 turbo) that they had done and put a bomb under it and
blew it up,
or at least tried to with plastic explosives! Guess, what, the car
didn't budg
e, no fire, body a little dented up, but the whole interior and frame
were stil
l good. They said not only would any passengers survive such an act
of terrori
sm, but they would probably escape with minor injuries! Wow!
Sounds like your motivated to blow up your own vehicle! Let us know
how it goes!
Make sure your wearing some "heavy" clothing though...
M
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From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:24:49 GMT
Subject: FCC, bare minimum audi content
In message <Pine.A32.3.91.970216082318.105552A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu> "Louis A. Mulieri" writes:
> What garbage. In fact, the FCC has, at least tentatively, REJECTED the
> telephone companies' proposal. The FCC is now simply asking you if you
> agree or disagree with their decision.
US West Wants Online Users to Pay More
By Thomas W. Haines, The Seattle Times
Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News
OLYMPIA, Wash.--Feb. 14--US West Communications wants Internet users to begin
paying phone companies extra money to stay online.
Companies providing Internet access say that's just a ploy by the company to
make money rather than fix a clogged phone network.
US West wants the state Legislature to settle the dispute.
A Senate committee hearing Thursday was the latest phase in an increasingly
prominent debate over just how much Internet use is bogging down the local phone
network.
During recent weeks, some people placing phone calls in and around Seattle,
especially those connected through a downtown Seattle switching station, have
heard ``all circuits busy'' recordings when trying to place calls.
[snippage]
Some phone companies have made a request that the Federal Communications
Commission consider setting rates for users who stay online for long periods of
time.
Yesterday was the first time US West publicly made its case to state lawmakers.
[snippage]
Glenn Blackmon, a staff analyst with the state utilities commission, which
regulates US West, says he's studied the length of calls during hours when the
``all circuits busy'' problem seems worst.
He says that the calls appear to be shorter in length, roughly two to four
minutes -- a finding that he says, so far, contradicts US West's claim that
extended calls by Internet users are causing the problem.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: "George S Achorn III" <coolidge@nicom.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:01:39 -0500
Subject: DC Get together Idea
I've noticed on the list that there are a few people in the DC/MD/VA area.
I had a get together last year for Corrado Owners and thought I'd suggest
it to you guys. While I don't have an audi (maybe I can talk my sister
into lending me her 90CS) it'd be a cool time. May I suggest in warmer
weather and a cookout or something (we just drove and that got old since
you can't talk while you are all in your cars). May I also suggest a visit
to VW Sport in Springfield VA. They are a division of Joe Hoppen Motorsport
and as far as I know the one owner should have his new A4Q by now (he had a
Jetta VR6 very trick). If you tell them ahead of time they may try and have
some Audi stuff there.
Since I don't own an Audi I'm not interested in organizing this. It's more
work than I want, but if someone does, let me know, I'd love to join up at
some point. If anyone needs phone numbers for VW Sport , just ask, or if
you know a good Audi spot to see then share it.
LAter-G
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