[Author Prev][Author Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Author Index][Thread Index]
Message not deliverable
quattro-digest Sunday, 16 February 1997 Volume 04 : Number 279
*
* Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list.
* See the end of the digest for unsubscribe info.
* In this issue:
FS: '91 200 TQ 20V Wagon.
Re: (no subject-really)
Why Qwagons rule.
spark plug wires
Audi RS4 Picture: The Next Generation
Bomb proof Audi
Re: Why Qwagons rule.
CQ vs. S4
Re: spark plug wires
Re: (no subject-really)
Why QWagons Rule
Re: CQ vs. S4
Many Thanks!
Many Thanks
Listlessness
Re: (no subject-really)
Re: (a very volitile subject-really)
Midwest Quattro Club in Flint!!!!!
Bomb proof Audi
(no subject-really)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Sherry & Chuck Clark" <clark@rmi.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:44:29 MDT
Subject: FS: '91 200 TQ 20V Wagon.
Hello List,
Well I just got back from a week in CA/Las Vegas and found an
interesting car for sale in the Huntington Beach area. Here's how the
ad reads: 1991 Audi 200 Quattro Wagon-silver/black, 5cyl, 5spd, AC,
PS, PB, PW, PDL, CC, P/seats, ABS, Stereo cass,
airbags,alarm,snrf,tint,alloys,mint cond, 1 owner, 217 hp 20v Turbo
engine, 150 MPH AWD Wagon. 48Kmi. $13,900 (714) 499-1075.
The picture looks great. Too bad I'm not looking for a wagon.
Anyway, thought someone might find this car very reasonably priced
especially with only 48K mi! I have not spoken with or have any
affilition with this car or party selling it. Later,
Chad Clark
------------------------------
From: Allan Jones <ampj@tiac.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:57:49 -0500
Subject: Re: (no subject-really)
Trisha Blethen wrote:
>
> Michael Shields wrote:
> >
> > > I was strictly thinking of reaction times since being a highly qualified
> > > race car driver used to reacting to automotive events at 200 MPH and
> > > drinking alcohol both affect one's driving capabilities, in opposite
> > > ways of course. And if "Mario" could also "hold his liquor," well then
> > > ...?
> >
> > Ok, let's concede for the sake of argument that being a world-class
> > racing driver and being drunk were somehow able to cancel each other out
> > and make drunk-Mario equal in skill to an average driver. Even if that
> > were true -- you're not Mario Andretti.
> >
> > Pilots have incredible training but the FAA has the "twenty-four hours
> > bottle to throttle" rule. There is a reason for that.
> >
> > If you drink, don't drive. If you drive, don't drink.
>
> Having been involved with drunk drivers.....I say amen to that. Also,
> there is nothing more dangerous than a drunk racer.
It was a hypothetical ? involving reaction TIMES!!!!!!!!! Alright
already, so I offended some people(I'm sorry), take it for what it is.
Jeez, you guys missed the pt. to that theory, question, whatever.. . . .
.let it go. I know NOBODY should D&D and I don't think I nor anyone else
can HANDLE it! . . . . . . Nobody replied to my rotor ?/theory. Maybe I
should've put something in the ? about gays getting hot all over my
spindle or something!. . . .
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:47:41 GMT
Subject: Why Qwagons rule.
In message <v01550102af2b1a32e753@[204.227.164.24]> dmiller@iea.com (Doug Miller) writes:
> Herewith, I lay out why wagons are superior to the spacially impaired
> sedans most of you listers pilot:
Ever roll one with something heavy in the back?
My wife has expressly forbidden the purchase of another "wagon" (which we refer
to as an estate car). Even though we have two dogs.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:50:18 GMT
Subject: spark plug wires
In message <33062993.7E59@abraxis.com> Elliott Potter writes:
> 2: What about the plugs themselves? Should I replace them? I've been
> having the car dealer serviced (free) so I don't know what they've been
> doing with them. If so, is there a tool for them? I in fact have a
> tool for removing spark plugs that worked on earlier cars, but there's
> something in the way of all of them in this car, and it just doesn't
> fit.
You should certainly _look_ at them. I'm confused by these comments about
special plug tools - I use a standard Britool plug socket and it's fitted every
car I've ever owned.
> 3: (did I say two questions? nahhh...) What's the easiest way to get at
> the air filter in this car? I eventually got to it with much huffing
> and puffing and cursing without removing that huge hose; will I have to
> do that? The screw to loosen the clamp on the hose is inexplicably
> pointing the wrong way so I can't get at it...
There's an Audi service tool - a 180 degree screwdriver ...
Most people mucking around down there take the front right headlight out. Then
it's easier to do a whole lot of things, including swap the air filter with the
hose attached. The clamp was probably tightened from down there, anyway.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: "George S Achorn III" <coolidge@nicom.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:46:12 -0500
Subject: Audi RS4 Picture: The Next Generation
I just completed a photo of an RS4. I took an aftermarket photo of the A4
sedan with a deck spoiler and large wheels (dark blue). I added a fuba
antenna, Boxster wheels and chin spoiler and side skirt with aluminum audi
rings just behind the front wheels. The car looks GOOD! So please Audi make
us an RS4. I don't want an M3.
LAter-G
------------------------------
From: Daniel Hussey <GY3WSX@VM.SC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 18:12:15 EST
Subject: Bomb proof Audi
I was watching a cool show this morning called "Beyond 2000" and they ha
d a segment on it about how this place armor plates cars and makes them safe fo
r people who have a price on thier head or something. Anyways, they showed the
process of how they made a MB 600SEL bullet-proof. They added in real think bu
llet proof glass, extra retainers in the doors, and door and window seals, extr
a protection in the floor pan area, they also put on run-flat tires and added a
n anti-explosive fuel cell. Really cool. They also have a remote that can sta
rt the car from a large distance and can detect a bomb. People have been doing
this for years, but only recently have they been able to do this to cars and ha
ve them look completely stock, like a plain car. You would not be able to tell
from looking at them that any of the cars were armor protected and toating bull
et proof glass! That is unless you opened the door (thick window frames!).
Then, they showed some of the testing they did. They had an Audi 5000
turbo (or 200 turbo) that they had done and put a bomb under it and blew it up,
or at least tried to with plastic explosives! Guess, what, the car didn't budg
e, no fire, body a little dented up, but the whole interior and frame were stil
l good. They said not only would any passengers survive such an act of terrori
sm, but they would probably escape with minor injuries! Wow!
Later,
Dan
------------------------------
From: Mark Reis <reis@ccnet.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:50:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Why Qwagons rule.
On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Doug Miller wrote:
> Lately I've had to justify why, in a year I could buy almost any car I
> wanted, I chose a beautiful jet black A6 Q Wagon. Many of my motoring
> buddies felt I'd lost my zest for four wheel drifts and backroad cruising
> for its own sake. Finishing a 3500 mile roundtrip from N. Idaho to LA and
> back via Reno last night, I appreciated anew the qualities of my 6 week old
> steed.
>
Can't fault your rationale (and get a kick out of your general tone).
[snip]
> Now, I don't intend to demean the sedan species, but it's pretty clear to
> me that a wagon gives up nothing in vehicle dynamics,
BUT... It would depend on your definition of 'vehicle dynamics'. For my
part, my receding hairline and slight paunch go far enough in identifying
me as 'married: with children'. God forbid I should heighten the effect
with a station wagon ;-)
> (sound of scuttling for cover and donning the Nomex suit)
Yep. Seriously tho, it sounds like a real beauty, and I'm sure you'll
enjoy it.
>
> Yours in discerning the truths of motoring bliss,
>
> Doug Miller
Regards,
Mark "ten-more-years-until-two-door-eligible" Reis
_____ _____
( ___ )--------------------------------------------------------------( ___ )
| / | Mark Reis reis@ccnet.com | mreis@us.oracle.com | \ |
| / | Danville, CA http://www.ccnet.com/~reis | \ |
| / | | \ |
|___| "You never know when you're makin' a memory" - R. L. Jones |___|
(_____)--------------------------------------------------------------(_____)
------------------------------
From: Mark Nelson <mnelson@brls.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:42:17 -0800
Subject: CQ vs. S4
Hi All!
Anybody out there get a chance to drive a '90 or '91 CQ as well as an
S4? I'm interested to know if anyone out there really noticed any
differences in handling, acceleration, and the comparison/differences in
overall feel of the cars.
TIA!
Best Regards,
Mark Nelson
mnelson@brls.com
'91 CQ (Building for SCCA Pro-Rally)
------------------------------
From: shields@tembel.org (Michael Shields)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 03:18:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: spark plug wires
> 1: I've decided that even though it's pretty early I'll just replace all
> six of them. Is there some tool I can get that will make it easier to
> pull them out?
Imparts carries a good Milbar tool for this. It is basically just a
pair of pliers with rubber-coated curved grips. The cost is probably
not justified in time savings but it might be if you are worried about
wire damage. I have one because I am just a sucker for tools.
- --
Shields.
------------------------------
From: Daniel Hussey <GY3WSX@VM.SC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 22:33:02 EST
Subject: Re: (no subject-really)
Just to make a point here....
I am in college and consider myself very responsible, but people DO drink
and drive all the time in college. Fortunately most people know when they've
had to much and call a cab (or, I tell them call me....anytime).
But, my biggest problem is when the buerocrats say they are going to crac
k down on drinkng and driving. What do they do???? Why, they lower the legal
drinking limit again! I am thoroughly against this and I feel it causes more
trounble than it is worth. Of, course, no one should drink and drive, but the
fact is, it happens. But, I would rather have the guy who's tanked and on the
road get arrested rather than me after 2 or 3 cold ones. Even if people who ar
e just at the limit are off the road, big deal. The people who are way over th
e limit and are a real threat are still out there. Get the picture.
Later,
Dan
------------------------------
From: gregsj@mail.imm.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Why QWagons Rule
Doug Miller is obviously an extremely intelligent and perceptive
fellow. Re my '91 200 TQW, I couldn't have said it better myself. BTW
Doug, I'm from Spokane, from what part of N. ID do you hail? GregJ
------------------------------
From: Dave Head <dhead@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:15:40 -0500
Subject: Re: CQ vs. S4
At 06:42 PM 2/15/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi All!
>
>Anybody out there get a chance to drive a '90 or '91 CQ as well as an
>S4? I'm interested to know if anyone out there really noticed any
>differences in handling, acceleration, and the comparison/differences in
>overall feel of the cars.
>
For power, I can compare the CQ (Relayer's) to a 91 200Q and my 87 tq. The
CQ is a great car but feels dead in comparison with respect to acceleration.
The 91 200Q especially, but even my feeble 87 have lots of low end grunt
compared to the CQ. Now if you rev the crap outa it, it will come alive -
but for my type of driving style, the turbo is the ticket... Especially that
80-110 mph rush... I'm just no longer comfortable revving an engine to 5-6
grand routinely. Guess my next car needs to be a V8Q (for the WIFE, of
course!)...
(Nomex on...)
********************************AUDI FAN***********************************
EMCM(SW) Dave Head
87 5KCStq 186K miles and counting... 1.8 bar boost - Whee!
Maitland, Florida (sounds better than Orlando!)
******************************************************************************
------------------------------
From: "Dupree, Robert A." <rdupree@sidley.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 22:21:00 PST
Subject: Many Thanks!
I thought I should post this to the whole list. I want to
------------------------------
From: "Dupree, Robert A." <rdupree@sidley.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 22:21:00 PST
Subject: Many Thanks
I wanted to say "Thank You Very Much" to l the folks who have helped me
improve my car over the last couple of weeks. Specifically the folks in
the QLCC group, and then mostly: Dave Lawson, Scott Justisson, Graydon
Stuckey and Paul Timmerman. With the help of these great people I have
no joined the ranks of the "HP boosted"! I am now running a modified box
with Dave Lawson's 1.95bar code, a ECU with a new socket (done by Graydon
in Paul's shop) and Graydon's intercooler hose. Prepping me for this
(and tempting me with other unnamable items) was Scott who tweaked my
mixture and provided me with access to a spring for the mod.
****GENTLEMEN I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR TIME!****
It was with great glee that I trailed behind 4 other Quattro's to go
listen to JazzMaTazz and had no problem, except for not being able to
hear my stereo do to Graydon's exhaust (or lack thereof).
I will soon be making an Audi Quattro Win95 theme with the JazzMaTazz
"You Mean What?" theme music for the opening, very cool tune by the way!
So stay tuned for that. Once again let me state my many thanks to those
folks, and anyone I may have overlooked; I could not have even attempted
this without their assistance.
Bob Dupree
'87 5000CS Quattro (1.95bar V1.0 (stay tuned for V1.1...)
------------------------------
From: Dave Head <dhead@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:17:06 -0500
Subject: Listlessness
Spring must definitely be here... List traffic has dropped off
exponentially in the last 10 days!
********************************AUDI FAN***********************************
EMCM(SW) Dave Head
87 5KCStq 186K miles and counting... 1.8 bar boost - Whee!
Maitland, Florida (sounds better than Orlando!)
******************************************************************************
------------------------------
From: Alexei M Voloshin <Alexei.M.Voloshin-1@tc.umn.edu>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:55:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: (no subject-really)
Just wondering, anybody know how many people are killed by drunk drivers
compared to other type of auto related deaths??
> But, my biggest problem is when the buerocrats say they are going to crac
> k down on drinkng and driving. What do they do???? Why, they lower the legal
> drinking limit again!
It doesn't matter. Drinking limit does not deter anybody underage,
especially in college. Getting alcohol is no problem no matter what age
you are!
This country is young. It still has a lot to learn about such matters -
give it a few hundred years or so.
Alex
------------------------------
From: Allan Jones <ampj@tiac.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 00:05:35 -0500
Subject: Re: (a very volitile subject-really)
Daniel Hussey wrote:
>
> Just to make a point here....
>
> I am in college and consider myself very responsible, but people DO drink
> and drive all the time in college. Fortunately most people know when they've
> had to much and call a cab (or, I tell them call me....anytime).
>
> But, my biggest problem is when the buerocrats say they are going to crac
> k down on drinkng and driving. What do they do???? Why, they lower the legal
> drinking limit again! I am thoroughly against this and I feel it causes more
> trounble than it is worth. Of, course, no one should drink and drive, but the
> fact is, it happens. But, I would rather have the guy who's tanked and on the
> road get arrested rather than me after 2 or 3 cold ones. Even if people who ar
> e just at the limit are off the road, big deal. The people who are way over th
> e limit and are a real threat are still out there. Get the picture.
>
> Later,
> Dan
No, do you want to be able to drive home after 2 or 3 and not be
worried? If so I can understand. I feel that some people are more
responsible and/or simply just better at driving, so couple the two
together and you get the point I was trying to make in my original post.
My father drank 4 or 5 beers at his favorite bar and drove home daily
for 30 yrs. I never thought of him as a capable driver(i.e.
race/emergency technique knowledge/experience), but I also never thought
of him as a threat to the public. He just took it easy(as he always
does) and never so much as scared a cat off the road. I also feel as if
there are some that have ruined it for others, but I stopped Drinking &
Driving several years back, and now I hardly drink at all(a fact I'm
proud of since I thought it was in my genes!) so I never worry about it.
However, I think the line should be drawn at "0", for everyone,
regardless of alcohol tolerance or driving ability, otherwise the rule
will be bent.
Hey, speaking of D&D, anyone watch Mad T.V. Sat. night, they just
did a spoof on the Nissan 300ZX commercial. Pretty funny, if you can
laugh at the effects of D&D, but quite obviously some people on this
list cannot and I understand. They had a safari doll drinking out of a
canteen in a convertible Mustang G.T.(what else) and then proceeding to
crash into doll houses, run over Barbie, and generally drive like a
drunk. He ended up at the girl doll's house and got in a fight w/ the
father of the girl doll. It was all in jest at Nissan and our society,
so take it for what it is.
Allan
p.s. I don't know if my "thank you" post got thru to the list. If it
did, disregard. If it didn't, well in short, Thank YOU ALL for replying
to what I thought was a fuel problem. It turned out to be the ignition
switch module, which Steven Buchholz suggested.
Thanks again!
------------------------------
From: "Graydon D. Stuckey" <graydon@apollo.gmi.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 00:12:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Midwest Quattro Club in Flint!!!!!
Guys,
Well, we had 7 Audi Quattros in the parking lot at Border's Books
tonight. Ingo(WARATAP@aol.com), Brendan(you know him - the one with the
holy bumper!), Kevin(Merlin@ameritach.net), Bob
Dupree(rdupree@sidley.com), and Paul Semerad (my neighbour who owns two
5KCSTQs) were there to see JazzmaTazz, (my jazz trio) and to discuss
Quattros of course. We all came back to my house afterwrds and even as I
type, we are watching "The Unfair Advantage" and discussing Kevin's
Stereo (wow!!) Bob's new chip, Brendan's redesigned bumper, and other
miscellaneous things pertaining to life in the quattro-lane.
We are having a great time, and we all wish more of you were
here, but alas, the internet brings together many who are far apart.
Its just fun when we can get together.
Later, ----------------------------------------------------------
Graydon D. Stuckey '85 Mazda RX7 GS, no toys
graydon@apollo.gmi.edu '86 Audi 5000 CS Turbo Quattro, has toys
Flint, Michigan USA '89 Thunderbird SC, lotsa toys
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:12:46 GMT
Subject: Bomb proof Audi
In message <199702152323.SAA25821@coimbra.ans.net> Daniel Hussey writes:
> I was watching a cool show this morning called "Beyond 2000" and they ha
> d a segment on it about how this place armor plates cars and makes them safe fo
> r people who have a price on thier head or something. Anyways, they showed the
> process of how they made a MB 600SEL bullet-proof.
The chairman of the Deutsche Bank was killed by the Red Army Faction on his way
to work one morning. He drove past what he thought was an innocent bicycle but
it turned out the frame had been packed with plastic explosive. These
armoured 600SELs became quite popular after that.
You may remember, in the very early 1980s, the US garrison commander's car was
hit by a rocket near Wiesbaden. It penetrated the car just behind the rear
door and exploded in the trunk - he survived without major injury because the
car had been armoured.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:04:21 GMT
Subject: (no subject-really)
In message <33063F6D.3B42@tiac.net> Allan Jones writes:
> It was a hypothetical ? involving reaction TIMES!!!!!!!!! Alright
> already, so I offended some people(I'm sorry), take it for what it is.
> Jeez, you guys missed the pt. to that theory, question, whatever.. . . .
> .let it go. I know NOBODY should D&D and I don't think I nor anyone else
> can HANDLE it!
But I feel there was a partial trivialisation.
It's not just reaction times that are affected. There are twelve different and
separate effects on vision alone - tunnelisation, loss of colour
differentiation, reduction in focus tracking speed, etc. The brain's abaility
to solve complex differential equations in real time (that most of us don't
know we even do, like getting the line round a curve right) is severely
impaired.
The Germans had a project in the early 1980s called "Mainz 77". This was a ten-
week evening course in the pyschology of drinking and driving - given behind a
strict non-disclosure agreement so that those involved in all ways could reveal
things that could not otherwise be made public - evidence not given in court,
medical reports, that kind of thing. Unfortunately, there's only one way to
qualify for the course.
In Germany, by the way, you can be found guilty of being drunk in charge of a
motor vehicle if you're still in the bar. The law says you're in charge of
the vehicle if you have the keys and the papers on your person - even if you're
nowhere near the actual vehicle.
Before taking that second beer - hand the keys to the barman. An no - he won't
give them back. He _will_ give them to your taxi driver.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
End of quattro-digest V4 #279
*****************************
*
* To unsubscribe, mail to majordomo@coimbra.ans.net and in the body of
* your note, say:
* unsubscribe quattro-digest
* Questions, comments to quattro-owner@coimbra.ans.net