quattro 5+5 how to

[todd candey <tcandey@wwa.com>]

Part 1.

Hello fellow listers, I would like to take a little BW to post the 
progress of my current project.

I've had more than a few people ask me how things are progressing, so 
here goes...
As most of you will remember, I purchased a 1981 4000 5+5 last fall with 
the crazy notion of turning it into a wide-body turbo quattro. A sort of 
psuedo "sportQ" if you will.

The first step in the process was to get the car home and disassemble it.
It took all of 2 days to reduce the car to a bare shell with the 
exception of the FWD running gear.
After stripping the car, we (Composite Garage partner Ken Dye) put the 
car up on jack stands, up about 3.5' to be exact, and proceeded to 
measure everything in sight. Every distance front to rear and side to 
side and so on was covered in a similar fashion to the bentley manuals.

We then measured the 85 4000q I had aquired and stripped. After looking 
at all the numbers and spending a good many hours looking at and 
wondering about the cars themselves, it was time to get out the sawzall.

In a nutshell, we cut the entire floor pan out of each car from the 
firewall back to the rear bumper supports. The next step was to grind all 
of the remaining seams smooth to aid in installation of the "new" pan.
The 4kq pan was lined up under the 5+5 and then raised into position. 
Simple as that. The largest reference points were the inner and outer 
wheel wells. They lined up with each other exactly. After that it was a 
matter of placing a few spot welds, measuring, then measuring again, then 
seam elding the entire floor pan and frame rails of the 4kq into the body 
of the 5+5.
 No, I'm not kidding, it was a straight drop in swap. The 2 cars have the 
exact same length and width from the firewall to the taillights.

[For those of you who are familiar with how audi spot welds two halves of 
a frame rail together to form one unit, this is where our all of the 
seams were made.]
	One other note, in addition to seam welding the entire chassis, 
there has been an awful lot of square 1x1 tubing fitted to the frame 
rails and floor pan as structural "insurance" so to speak.
The next step in terms of the chassis, will be to add the roll cage. This 
is part 2 which I will share with you as I can.

When I was first considering this project, I posted my idea to the list. 
I got a lot of different opinions of what would and wouldn't fit, and 
what would and would'nt work. Some of those were pretty close, and some 
of those were pretty far off.
Suffice it to say, it is a very do-able project provided you have some 
time and the tools and aren't afraid of making one helluva mess...
 
 I knew this would require a lot of time and a lot of effort, however I 
never expected things to fall into place the way they have.  

In closing I'd like to thanks for the bandwidth, and yes, a 5+5 can be 
made a quattro. BTDT!
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Todd Candey                         The Composite Garage
271A Greenboro Ct.                       81 4k 5+5    
Elk Grove Village, IL                        85 4ksq
60007               USA                          89 90q