Re: Rally cars (was quattro wagon)

[MICHAEL ZAMIKHOVSKY <mikez755@sprintmail.com>]

Mark Nelson wrote:
> 
> >Last quattro coupe that I saw properly prepared cost $45,000.00 US and that
> was with stock >trans and stock diffs.
> 
> WOH!!!  I am assuming that you are talking about a later model S2 type
> coupe prepared with ALL Audi Sport and Schmidt Motor Sport pieces.  I
> have no doubt this will blow the price tag up to a hefty price, but
> c'mon, to build a properly prepared rally car you do_not have to buy all
> of that expensive crap (i.e. $1600 for a Schmidt S2 carbon fibre hood,
> when I can buy a new steel hood from Audi for $315).  This is simply
> ridiculous, especially for rallying.  BTW how does $8,000 USD sound for
> a Schmidt custom built 5-speed.  I really can't justify spending that
> kind of money on that stuff.  You can easily build an extremely
> competitive car, and not have much money invested, especially if you are
> competent enough to do the work yourself.
> 
> I am figuring that for my '90 CQ, that I am basically turning into an
> S2, I will have a total of about $10K USD invested.  This includes
> lightweight Recaro Rally seats, TRW sabelt belts, Terra Trip 404 Rally
> computer, full carbon fiber dash and door panels, large diameter
> lightweight rotors, four piston calipers all the way around, two 20V
> Turbo motors w/K27 Turbos, HKS electronic wastegate, etc., etc., etc.
> My father, who has built several very successful Porsche race cars in
> the past, is helping me build the car.  I can assure you that I REFUSE
> to pay outrageous prices for parts, especially since many pieces will be
> replaced regularly.  For example the differentials, which are EXACTLY
> the same as any other model Audi (except for the rear diff which is
> Torsen in V8's), which are readily available, and can be had for cheap.
> There is no reason to go out and pay $2,000 for a custom rear
> differential.  It simply defies all logic.  Anyway, I am figuring that
> when I am done, I will have a car that is extremely strong and
> dependable, plus very competitive in the Open Class in SCCA Pro Rally.
> In rallying, most of it is the skill of the driver anyway, granted the
> car helps, but to compete in this game, you have to be (or have) a very
> good driver to begin with.
> 
> Anyway, this is just my .02.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Mark Nelson
> 
> 1990 Audi "S2" Quattro (Building For SCCA Pro Rally)
> 
> > 
> 
> >>
> 
> >You must be very skillful to build the entire car yourself.
> >Even John Buffum doesn't do his own cage work. It took us forever to strip all the seems and reweld them. I wish we dipped the shell in acid.
Disasssembly to bare shell alone took a long time. Than we doubleplated 
all suspention pickup points. Groupe A rollcage which i believe is needed
to run stiffer suspention without damadging the shell has 3 pipes rinning 
to each pickup point exept back mounting points of rear subframe. Average 
cost of cage like that with design directly from homologation 
papers(which I hope you have for your car ,let me know if you don't, most 
people don't) can be $4500.00.USD. 20 valve engines cost several thousand 
 dollars each here in North East US. 4 pot brakes of proper type  are at 
least $750.00 per corner. Cheeper ones might not be enough even though 
they can be 4 pot. My Tilton pedal cluster was $600.00 with master 
cylinders. Aeroquip hose was $1500.00 with fittings. Evey time you go 
through metal you must use bulkhead fitting. I think it will cost you 
much more by the time you are finished. I didn't even mention suspention 
or engine/floor/gas tank shields.Last week cheepest HKS electronoc boost 
controler was quoted $900.00. I got Turbonetics for $350.00 and saved.
Might you know phone number for Schmidt Motor Sptrs.
  >  
>Mike ZamikhovskyWhere do you plan to run and when ??.