In message <970404034017_1054761781@emout17.mail.aol.com> ScharfR@aol.com writes: > And in continuing this useless thread, why don't we start in on the fire > pumper engine that made good? Someone's already tried that. These threads don't usually end in a climax, though. -- Phil Payne phil@sievers.com Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club