In a message dated 97-04-30 21:01:59 EDT, you write: << Yes, 4x108, the same as the 4000 quattro. NOT the same as the ur-quattro (though we might wish). >> Depends on your clasification of Ur-Quattro. As most would mean the coupe quattro by this, would that make the non-turbo quattro coupe an Un-Quattro? It had 4x108 wheels.... I'm just JOKING! HA! Kw