-- [ From: Huw Powell * EMC.Ver #3.1a ] -- >the 4 rings, about 2 inches high and 5 inches wide. then with the rings laid out, you could do this with lettering ( A (n) U (e) D (t) I ) I Like This. (does need some url in tiny letter below, though...) Huw Powell HUMAN Speakers http://www.thebook.com/human-speakers