Re: 200 vs. M5

[Sargent Schutt <sargent@symposiafoundation.org>]

Kwattro@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-05-30 03:31:39 EDT, you write:
> 
> << ’d be a little disgruntled if some punk in a lil old Audi blew away my
>  mega-dollar poser-mobile (well, okay it was close, but I WON!).
> 
>  Anyone who hasn’t BTDT should - big grins!
> 
>  >>Audi Lovers: “We’re not snobs; we’re just better than you!”<<
> 
>  >>BMW Lovers: “We’re just snobs, we’re not better than you...”<<
> 
>  Just a joke. :-)
> 
>  The M5 and M3 are great cars. Regardless of who drives them...
>   >>
> 
> Not to upset any listers here, but a stock 200  20v turbo quattro could never
> beat an 88 M5 around a track.  I think even highly modified 200's would have
> trouble keeping up with the Gen 1 cars, which are faster than 911's (upsets
> many Pcar owners...)  The Gen 2 M5 was a bit more cushy, with not much more
> kick (gained 12 hp, I believe.  Also gained about 500 pounds.  Not a good
> combo..)
> 
> Kwattro

You may be correct regarding the 88. The M5 I was referencing was a
newer body style car (91 or so). I beat it but barely. My car was
running very well, pulling 2.0 bar max, and this was on the highway, not
the track (eg straight line accelleration). 

As for cornering, on the EVOC high speed track (vs their slower
surface-street emulation track) I had no trouble keeping up with an 89
M3 through every corner. If passing were allowed I could have easily
done so on the straights. IMO the driver was not very good, but my 91
200q with Eibach/bilstein setup does pretty well, and TAP chip + quattro
pulled me through and out of the corners much faster than the M3. The M3
is better handling, but less powerful. I have to say, given my
experiences, the 91 200q with a few quality mods keeps up with the M5. I
believe UFO brakes record the same 70-0 numbers as the newer M5. On a
track, it would be a pretty even match-up. I have no experience with the
88 (older style) M5. 

To wit, with my boost leak problem I raced and was gaining on a new M3
on the highway on the way home last night. I was faster until my boost
dropped off after 5k RPM from 1.9 to 1.7 at redline. At 1.7 I had gone
from pulling ahead to dead even, door handle to door handle (separate
lanes) - it was totally dead even. Don’t know about the state of tune of
these other cars - they were both cosmetically/exhaust modified, I don’t
know about the engines (chips?).