Re: Audi Kool-Aid, Pt. II (long)

["Avi Meron" <avi@cosmoslink.net>]

>that I use Mobil1 synthetic ;-)<

Anybody can use whatever they want, I never disagreed with this basic
prinicipal, but there are ways and there are WAYS to show a disagreement.
As for the rest of your comments (excluding the Clinton one) I agree, that
was the basic point of my post.


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt & Jenai <matjen@xsite.net>
To: Avi Meron <avi@cosmoslink.net>
Cc: Quattro List <quattro@coimbra.ans.net>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Audi Kool-Aid, Pt. II (long)


>On 1/25/98 Avi writes:
>
>>Matt you are a brave man!!!!!!!!!!!!>
>
>Avi, before you enshrine me in the bravery hall of fame, I should disclose
>that I use Mobil1 synthetic ;-).
>
>>Now comes my point:
>>in the hands of an average +- every day driver, a Q will perform BETTER
>than
>>a car not equipped with AWD.....(most of us fit in this category)....
>>in a racing condition (none stock, high power) the article agrees that the
>>AWD is superior due it its ability to deliver power via 4 wheels.....
>>
>>Your thoughts.....>
>
>    Avi, I think it all comes down to how you define "perform."  (Unlike
the
>phrase "improper sexual relationship,"  I believe there are at least a few
>reasonable meanings to the term perform.  That's my Clinton dig for the
>evening!).  My point in the Audi Kool-Aid thread and Tribune Review thread
>(late December) was that the quattro system does not mean your Audi will
>handle/perform better (be faster) than a good rwd car in the twisties in
>decent weather.  Now it seems to me that some listers are confusing that
>with how comfortable the car makes them feel behind the wheel when they
>drive aggressively - this is also a reasonable view of the term "perform."
>    IMHO, a quattro will feel more secure to an average driver (I include
>myself here) up to 8/10s.  This does not mean the car handles better.
>Frankly, I'm afraid of my car when it gets past that point.  QSHIPQ talks
>about the torsen hunting, etc. (I have an 89 200qw) I'm too freaked out to
>analyze what's going on when I push too hard - the car gets goofy.  In rwd
>cars I am able to keep pushing and the car communicates to me as the rear
>end starts to lose it.  I just don't get that communication from a q (type
>44).  I'm sure guys like Eric (don't slam me too hard for being a bad
>driver) and Scott or Jeff can handle it - but I know Scott is a MUCH, MUCH,
>MUCH better driver than I.  And even with all their disagreements, he
admits
>that Eric can drive a q.
>    I absolutely agree that with high hp, awd is the fastest way to fly.  I
>just think the list tends to exaggerate the benefits of awd when it comes
to
>the realm of handling in comparison to competing cars (BMW).  Because a
>person feels more comfortable at speed in a q does not mean it performs
>better or that the other car is less stable.  It is a subjective feeling.
>Someone used to a rwd car may feel that the q is unstable b/c he is used to
>the signals being sent by a rwd vehicle.
>
>Just my worthless .02
>Matt Pfeffer 89 200qw - stage II
>
>P.S.  If it makes anyone feel any better, I think Gordon Haines suffers
from
>an incredible lack of objectivity in his 325ix page where he states the awd
>bimmer will leave ANY car  in the snow - even the quattro (of course he
>chooses a 10 valve 90q with a torsen for the comparo.  130 hp and 3000lbs).
>What a joke!
>