i agree it's a matter of scouring the ads. my first 5ks with i5 and slush box cost $650.00 cdn. i drove it for years. i later bought another for my wife $250.00 cdn. granted that one needed a ring and valve job, but i fixed it up for ~$600.00 and put on a paint job. kept it for a couple of years and sold both to pay for my 5kcdtq which was $3200.00. mike mulholland