Re: Wanted: oil pan upgrade for I5???

["Alex Neckas" <Alex@onanshipping.com>]

> > The answer, as you
> > mentioned, is a bit of custom work. I was only trying to cover the
> > time it would take to clean, fabricate, pack and ship an oil pan.  It
> > would seem that a few took offense at this and I subsequently dropped
> > the project.
> > Alex Neckas
> > Onan Shipping, Ltd. Seattle
> 
> There are too many DIYer's on this list, cleaning, fabrication, and
> painting are all readily available local services, I think that goes
> against you.  Not personally I mean, but against the concept.  Also I
> think you guessed it would be something like $300 each?  If I knew what
> the baffles should be set up like, I could do it through buddies
> (welder, powder coater...) for $25 or something for myself.  If you
> could get it done (maybe not painted) for like $100 or so I think you
> would have a winner.  Cleaning - sand blasting is cheap. Fabrication -
> depends on what you are doing, obviously.  A couple simple pieces of
> sheet metal is one thing, bent pieces with holes that are awkward may be
> another.  (Powder coating an oil pan is probably about $25-50) Spray
> paint works just fine though.  Packing and shipping - you'd have the
> senders box and internal padding, and UPS would run $5-10 depending on
> distance.

The $300 figure you are referring to also consisted of:

S4 windage tray                              $32.13
Oil Pan gaskets       2 @ $43.46      $86.92
Fasteners (6 x 25)  20 @   $1.80      $56.00
Fasteners (8 x 25)    3 @   $1.65       $4.95
Fasteners (6 x 55)    4 @   $1.75       $7.00
                                                  -------------
                                                   $187.00

Plus Cleaning Materials ($5.00)
Plus Raw Materials ($5.00 - $10.00)
Plus Shop Materials (Drill bits, Taps, etc. all get dull)
Plus Time (two to three hours)
Plus Shipping ($5.00 to $10.00?? Ha, ha. $10.00 to $20.00)

Now, how much is really in it for me?  Maybe, and I stress, MAYBE a 
hundred bucks.  Now my hourly is $75.00 to my clients.  Tell me 
please why I should have to take half and hour to justify myself to 
you?

> We'd love some more input from you, but I think we also want you to give
> away your "secrets" for free! 

None of the above touches on the R&D time it took to develop a 
solution that works.  As long as you think I should pass on my 
"secrets" for free, why not ask Ned at IA to give away his services 
for free also.  But why stop there?  Give Mr. Gates a call and ask 
him to send him the latest copy of NT.  All of his R&D is done.  All 
he is releasing is a 35 cent piece of plastic for an incredible mark 
up to $850.00.

But your right.  It is simply not worth $850.00.  So why not just 
write your own network operating system?  What?  It would take some 
time?  Well then, it will take seam a bit prohibitive then, wouldn't 
it?  If you feel that the hundred bucks that I "MIGHT" make seems 
like to much, then voice your opinion as a consumer and don't pay.  
Just spend some time and figure it out for yourself.

If you wish to discuss this further, email me privately.

Alex Neckas
Onan Shipping, Ltd. Seattle
(206)676-7998