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RE: Reproduction (aka slip, sliding away)...
>jeff sez ;
>It's not required but the easiest way to do so ... convincing you has been
>difficult enough as it is, why make things any more so? Like I said, I can
>do it on dry pavement (pretty much on demand now, thanks to practice!) but
>it takes just that much more effort because the threshold is just that much
>higher.
>
>jeff i find this really interesting, you've been practicing...and now you
>can create the problem on demand.
Well, perhaps not EVERY time but certainly more times than not...
>as a former bicycle racer (more than 40 years) i have spun out and crashed
>many times...but i learned more each time until i was able to take corners
>faster than others and by doing so be first at the finish line. now that you
>are able to reproduce the problem that you feel is caused by a non-thinking
>mechanical device....doesnt it now give you the opportunity to use all your
>skills and thinking ability to counteract what is happening, if it is due to
>the mechanical device. we have the amazing ability to learn and adapt to
situations
>whereas the differential continually does its mechanical thing. surely if
you can
>reproduce the problem you can learn to control it or avoid it. i learned
that if i go too
>fast into an icy, sandy or wet corner i have a problem....so i use my other
>skills and gain my advantage elsewhere.
Unfortunately, the only thing that seems to work is slowing down, which is
anathema to me when I'm competing. I've also learned from my mistakes but
trying to predict the (so far) unpredictable is pretty tough, at least for
me. The only thing I can say for certain is that I've found that whenever
it happens, it's better to put my foot to the floor and run over the apex if
necessary than to lift and risk looping it.
>i guess the other question is whether other drivers with different driving
habits
>used your test vehicle in the same way that you do, to reproduce this
effect, do they
>have the same results?
I don't know ... nobody else has ever driven my 200q at speed.
>i'm just interested to know since you can now produce the unwanted
>effect at will. maybe you could describe how it is done.
Simple. You drive up to a corner flat-out; brake hard then trail off the
brakes through the first third of the corner as you turn-in, then get back
on the throttle hard as you reach the apex. The car understeers up to the
point where I start getting back on the throttle and, more times than not,
the back end steps out sideways. If I lift out of the throttle, it'll spin;
if I plant my foot to the floor, it'll either correct itself and resume
understeering again through the corner exit or I'll end up driving over the
apex to the inside of the corner.
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