mike, I have to agree with you there, Mike -- you have a point... Why does my 4KSQ seem to have better 'technology' in 1985 than the 'state-of-the-art' climate control system in the 87 5KCSTQ? We're not gonna take it, man! We're fightin' back! F 'em!!!! Dem's fightin' words!!! Richard 87 5KCS TQ 85 4KS Q 82 VW CAbrio