Re: Hawk Brake Pads

[Todd Phenneger <phen9461@uidaho.edu>]

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Gary G. Erickson wrote:

> No, the HP Plus is quite a bit harder on the rotors than the HPS that I
> was referring to.  It was the HP+ pads that I had to have the second set
> of rotors for that you mentioned below.
> The HP+ pads work very well when you get them hot, but at cooler
> temperatures they act just like a lathe on the rotors.  The HPS compound
> is pretty friendly to rotors and the dust isn't bad to clean off.

	OK, sounds like I need the HPS.

> I buy the Hawk pads locally from Race Central in Portland, OR.  They've
> got an 800# you can call at 800.876.5945; ask for Jason Schrieber and
> tell him that I referred you.  (No, I don't get any kickbacks from him. 
> <grin>)  The HPS pads for a 4kq run ~$55 (based on their last catalog)
> and it jumps up to ~$75 for the HP+ pads.

	Pegasus quoted me $65 or something for the HP+

> If you are running the Wilwood caliper setup, they're even cheaper at
> $36 and $49.50 for the HPS and HP+, respectively.  (Yes, I do have the
> Wilwoods and will post a full report in the future.)

	Well hurry up already.  BTW, can those calipers be used with 10"
and 11" rotors.  Would be nice to use 10" in the winter.  OR just put old
calipers on but that is a pain to do twice a year.

> The HPS is the best (reasonably priced) compromise pad that I've found. 
> They don't need warm-up time to start working like the MetalMasters do,
> and they don't fade (on the street) like the stock organic pads can.

	Have you ever tried them at the track.  Want something better than
the MMs.  Ferodo will do that buat wonder if these are better than ferodo.

> I've never been willing to drop the cash for the fabled Pagids, but in
> my mind, they'd have to be a _lot_ better for the difference in price.

	I hear they are worth it if you have the money.  I dont.

> A lot of that was because the HP+ pads do chew up the rotor some under
> normal usage and I didn't want to subject my daily pads to the cheese
> grater effect after swapping them around.  Stock size rotors for the
> 4kq/GT's are cheap and it doesn't take much longer to swap the rotor
> with the pads.

	Very true.

> I don't have any problems in the cold or the rain.  Depending on how
> aggressive you are on the track, you might reach a point where you need
> more pad than the HPS can provide, but for it's intended market (High
> Performance Street use) I think it's a very good pad.

	That is good.  I drive in snow alot and even the stock pads have
problmes due to wet rotors.  Hoping sloted rotors will help this.  
	BTW, when I say snow, I mean 45 mph for 200 miles through 8" of
wet slush/ fresh powder/ ice   etc.  Nasty road with bad weather.  See
next post for example.  L8R

Todd Phenneger
Recent witness to 911 SC Rolling from going off road in hail storm.
Funny, my 4kq didn't even notice the slick road.  :)