Re: 4000 turbo conversion advice

[Todd Phenneger <phen9461@uidaho.edu>]

On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, Ben Howell wrote:

>  hmmm... how do you figure? The UrQ and the 4kq use the sameplatform, but
> the UrQ is not weighted down by the extra doors, window motors, a larger
> "trunk" lid..etc.......Now granted, the UrQ has the larger fuel tank and
> proably has heavier struts in the front (the rears are the same as an UrQ),
> but a couple of hundred pounds?!?! Come on! If ANYTHING the UrQ is lighter.

	Actually the body of the Coupe weighs much more.  I am not sure
exactly why but it seems the coupe just weighs more.  4kq weighs 2,800.
UR-Q weighs over 3,000 and only about 50 - 100 of that is for the Addition
of Turbo and Slightly heavier struts.  Maybe fenders add some weight.  I
bet the 85' UR-Q with the Carbo Fiber?? REar Trunk Lid may be much closer
to the 4kq turbo weigh.  I bet that saved quite a bit of weight right
there.  not a Clue how much though

>  How about lower center of gravity? UrQ are about 4 inches shorter than the
> 4k.

	Huh?  WHat do you mean shorter.  You mean like roofline is lower?
I spose that does make a difference as does having battery under seat
insead of in the trunk like on 4ktq.  Deleting Sunroof would help alot too
but I like mine :-)

>   ALLL 4ksq have 4:11's BTW. And what about an UrQ with 4:11's?

	Uhh, I thought the list consensus was that many later 4kq's had
3.89's.  I believe someone even counted the teeth on theirs to confirm but
I could be wrong.  And I thought all US UR-Q's had 3.89.  Isn't the
gearing in tranny different too.  Heck, the UR-Q redlines in 4th at same
speed 4kq redlines in 5th from some stuff I have read but again, I could
be wrong on this.

>  Again with that weight thing.....Who told you that UrQ's are heavier?

	Factory lists CUrb as like 3,000 something in everything I have
read.  Dont know about 85' though.

> JUst defending my UrQ brother's. :-)

	No need to.  We would all kill for one.  I'm just saying for the
price, a 4kqt could beat up a UR-Q.  Put a 20v in UR-Q and the tides
change.  Even a 20v 4kq couldn't compete I dont think as I think at that
level the wider track, etc of UR-Q would be a bigger advantage.  Put a
Carbon Fiber Hood and rear Deck on and I bet weight would be equal to
4kqt.  I spose you could say I am not putting down UR-Q, just defending my
funture 4kqt.  Soon mayb 4kqt will be running around so time will tell
which is faster.   L8R

Todd