Re: 87 4000Q vs 88 80Q

["Pat Martin" <mardkins@email.msn.com>]

>It comes down to personal preference.  Both are excellent.  The
>4000 has a lighter, more direct feel.  The lighter weight probably
>means slightly quicker 0-60, despite a 15hp disadvantage.
>The 80 is a newer generation and thus has improvements such as
>better sound insulation, nicer dash/interior and more refined
>manners.  The 80 is more aerodynamic thus less wind noise and
>higher top speed.  The 80 also has a galvanized body.


Agreed.  Both are very similer but the 80 loses the brick at the expense of
looks IMO.  I might argue the 80 having a better dash and interior.  Maybe
the 90 does but the 80, not so much.

>> Since the price is close that is no problem. I was wondering which of the
2
>> cars is cheaper to maintain?
>> I am also wanting to put a turbo charged motor
>> in it after I learn about the car. Which of the 2 cars would be a better
>> candidate?
>If you want to transplant a 5KT/200 engine in there, it's probably
>going to be about the same amount of work and modifications for
>both cars.  The under-hood arrangements are very similar between the
>two.  The electronics are different, but as far as engine management
>stuff is concerned you'll want to transplant that from the 5KT/200 too.


Many advantages to the 4kq here.  The MC engine conversion into a 4kq has
been done many times before therefore benifiting from the experiences.  But
also it has a direct factory lead in being the UR-q.  Therefore it has
factory parts for the intake (major pia).  But also my guess is the wiring
is a little easier to deal with if you have an early MC motor.  This is
because the fuseboxes are the same part on a 5kt and a 4kq.  Dont know if
the 80 uses the same fusebox.

>> I understand that the 80 Q has torsen diffs.
>> How much better are these diffs vs the open/lockable diff
>> in the 4000 Q? Are the torsen diffs harder to maintain?

Many have argued the torsen is a dissadvantage(check the archives).
Personally I prefer not having something changing that I am not changing.
Such as a torsen detecting spin.  There are many advantages to torsen but I
dont believe 10/10ths driving is one of them.

>Drive the two and see which you like better, and which body style
>pleases you more...

Agreed.  They are both good cars.  Personally I would not do an 80.  I would
spend a little extra on a 90.  I might be a little biased as I own 2 4kq's
also:-)

Pat Martin
864000csq turbo, 2 1/2 cat back, H&R-Boge, MC and loving it.  Drilled and
stopping it. Koenig Cobra 16x7 with Yokohama A520's turning it,  K&N and
uh..., Soon: Hella's lighting it.
84 4000sq  AKA: The beater.
95 subaru legacy
Bothell, Wa

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