Re: poor manners...

["Shayne Pavlic'" <bcpi@arias.net>]

I hardly find that rude.  Consideration:  In my area of the country, Spokane
WA, Audi's are expensive.  A 13 y/o 4000Q will go for 5-7k in good shape. 
3K in average shape.  I have a friend in NY and he says you can get all the
great 4000Q cars you want for 2500K  so, area has something to do with it. 
Sorry to say so does ego.  I have an old MB  I could sell it quickly at 15K 
what would I ask for it?  25k.


Shayne 
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>From: "R. W. Zehr" <rzehr@pacbell.net>
>To: quattro@audifans.com
>Cc: Audi 20-valve list <audi-20v@emailsol.com>
>Subject: poor manners...
>Date: Thu, May 06, 1999, 16:34
>

>I subscribed to the quattro mother-list yesterday for the first time,
>and have been troubled by something that occurred as a result. Sorry for
>the long post, but I feel that this is relevant to all list members.
>
>I have been a subscriber and contributor to the 20-valve list for more
>than a year, and am proud to report that it is a very civilized place to
>be; newbies are welcomed, there are no stupid questions, and the members
>pretty much behave according to the golden rule.
>
>However, after posting my first message on the quattro list, offering my
>CQ for sale, I started getting messages from someone who appears to have
>learned his behavior from an illiterate goat.
>
>I've appended the email conversation that came to me from a lister this
>morning. I've cut out only his email address; if he chooses to identify
>and embarrass himself, so be it, but my momma taught me to be polite.
>
>==============================================================
>(As received..)
>
>>Asking $14,500, or will consider trades
> 
>Good Luck!   
> 
>I've bought and sold "5" 1991 Coupe Quattro's in the past month
>for $6000-7000 price range.  1 at $1800, needed engine.
> 
>People are not really that stupid!  Especially Quattro owners......
> 
>Your going to have to come down on the price or your not going to sell
>it.
> 
>I'll trade you an 83 Ur Quattro, I paid $4500 for.  It too is in "great"
>shape! Plus I have an 87 4KQ in excellent shape as well.  I paid $3000
>for it.
>
>------------------------------------------------
>(My response...)
>
>Thanks for sharing.
>
>BTW, for $6-7K, I would expect to get a high-miles unmodified car in
>somewhat raggy shape, which needs work.
>
>This car is, in many respects, better than new, and needs nothing. It
>has had $9K and a hell of a lot of work invested in improvements.
>
>One gets what one pays for...
>
>------------------------------------------------
>(The jerk's comeback...)
>
>Each Coupe I sold was in "immaculate" shape!
>Several had springs, cams, wheel, stereo's, etc........
>I DONT SELL JUNK! One even had a "New" 20V Turbo motor!
>
>All those "toys" mean nothing to a Bank, where someone is trying to
>finance a car.   Who do you know can drop $14,500 "cash" on a  9 year
>old car?
>
>Your price of $14,500 is only $8000 above what any lending institution
>would allow towards the purchase of a "used" car.  Who has $8000
>to sink onto a 9 year old car?
>
>Your looking to get your money back from all those "mods", and it wont
>happen.
>
>Especially when the same make and model of Audi can be purchased
>for less than half the price your asking!
>
>I know of 3 1984 Ur-Quattro's below $13,000 which are "as new", and
>people would much rather have than a 91 Coupe!
>
>Your price is too high, and your not going to get it.  You will have to
>come down considerably in order to sell.
>
>If the cars was involved in an accident, the insurance company would
>only pay $6000 for it!  Requardless  of what has been done to it!
>
>You can boast and bragg about the car all day and night, but someone
>"sucker" would be real foolish to pay that price!
>
>I'm sure I'm not the only person who has commented about your outrageous
>price either!
>
>Good Luck!  You'll need it!
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>(My answer...)
>
>Thanks for venting your opinion.
>
>Was there some reason for your rant or are you just such a nice guy that
>you wanted to tell me about your experiences ?
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>(He can't let it go...)
>
>Yah! 
>
>Your outrageous price!
>
>Makes me laugh.........
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>(My final word, before adding him to my email auto-trash list...)
>
>Go away.
>
>I really don't give a damn about your opinions. Please stop wasting my
>time and keep your thoughts to yourself.
>
>============================================================
>
>Now my point here is simply that membership in a listserv group is much
>like attending a party where people with similar interests meet to chat.
>Like any good party, if someone starts acting too obnoxious, he will
>eventually be ejected on his face, to the relief of other attendees, and
>will be invited not to come back. 
>
>If clowns like this are common on the quattro list, I believe that it
>would be appropriate to start applying a similar procedure, in the
>interests of the other members. It should be obvious that if a newbie is
>put down and goes away, he will probably not get interested in Audi
>Quattros, learn more about them, and one day become the guy who buys
>your car - good manners is simply good sense, and there is NO excuse for
>bad manners.
>
>I'd suggest that if someone on the quattro list exhibits behavior like
>this more than once, it would be time to start trimming the list by
>cutting off subscriptions. 
>
>Rick Zehr
>`91 CQ - new subscriber to the quattro list, 
>might not be for long if this is typical behavior
>