I am not having much luck with #'ing out the A4 paper and #'ing in the US_letter size. have done the etka_au, se, sys, va, and vw .ini files. Am I missing something? Does US_letter perhaps have to be moved to the top? Is there something in etka_all.ini that must be changed too? thanks -- Huw Powell http://www.humanspeakers.com 82 Audi Coupe; 84 4kq; 85 Coupe GT http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~human