My mechanic went to one of the insurance auctions in Denver last fall and bought himself a "1983 Audi 4000 coupe GT". The quattro is fairly rough but might make someone a nice ur-q rally car. I even had the passing (very passing) thought of buying it and converting my '87 4kq into an "ur" q sedan ala the car in VW Porsche circa '86. Len only smiles when I ask what he paid. Bruce