Re: A New Look at Torsens

["Pantelis Giamarellos" <pantg@otenet.gr>]

HAS TO DO WITH EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD.
maybe also with the relative humidity. England and NZ are islands after all.

Regards
Pantelis Giamarellos


>From Greece where the RS2 does not bite but the top heavy (reffering to
cars, not girls) CAMEL TROPHY Discovery does.


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On a more serious note

I am not racing my RS2 but until now I have never experienced the bite. What
I have felt is some times the front wheel going wide and then the rear
following in a much wider way.
May I note that the Greek tarmac is notoriously slippery?

On the other hand my CT Discovery Land Rover was giving me some sort of
"spider bite" until my LR wrench fitted a TorSen diff at the rear axle.
Since then the Camel is only tail happy. Some initial, but controllable
widening of the front wheels turning radius is happening still but anyway
these things happen off-road and not on tarmac.

As for the magnetic fields and humidity  I guess you must have understood
that I am kidding.

I am respecting the opinion and apparent knowledge of all four "contestants"
but my opinion is that the spider bite may also be a matter of personal
experiences and judgement. In addition I believe that it should be clarified
whether the "bite" is happening more often at the race track or on the road.
If it is a road incident then I guess we can characterise it as dangerous
but only when driving at the limit, which, in any case, is something that
should not happen in the first place.

If it is happening on the race track, then it is up to the professionals the
find a way the either eliminate it or control it.

As for my personal experiences of TorSen diffs I would not change the set up
of the RS2 for anything else. And I really enjoy the way the 3 tonnes heavy
Discovery is happy tailing after fitting a TorSen at the rear.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Lewis, Gary M <Gary.Lewis@West.Boeing.com>
To: 'quattro' <quattro@audifans.com>
Date: &Pgr;&agr;&rgr;&agr;&sgr;&kgr;&egr;&ugr;&eeacgr;, 15 &Ogr;&kgr;&tgr;&ohgr;&bgr;&rgr;&iacgr;&ogr;&ugr; 1999 10:27 &mgr;&mgr;
Subject: A New Look at Torsens


>I can't believe I'm writing this, but...
>
>I was thinking that since both camps (actually 3, the third camp doesn't
>give a rip, but they probably won't read this either) can't agree on
>anything, did it ever occur to anyone that you both maybe right??
>
>Huh???
>
>I'll give you a synapsis (mine) of the major players:
>
>1. Dave Eaton
>Probably owns the most coveted stables of any guy on the list.
Participates
>in all types of NZ car activities, and gets to drive some really nice
stuff,
>making comparos of cars we poor Americans will never see.  Seems to love
the
>WRC.
>A true enthusiast...
>
>2. Phil Payne
>Seriously English, keeps his cars maintained at a level of retentivity I
>both admire and despise (I just can't do the same).  Loves fixing others
>Audi's, involved Q-club member, enjoy's tossing his Q's every chance he
>gets.  20+ years of professional automotive experience.
>A true enthusiast...
>
>3. Jeff Goggin (AKA Audi Dudi)
>The Buckaroo Banzai of Audi performance and modifications, takes on
projects
>most folks blanch at (Can you say Audi V8 in an Ur-q??).  Local racer most
>of his legal driving days, competes fiercly against himself.  Does all his
>own work, loves to experiment, and a real perfectionist in his own way.
>A true enthusiast...
>
>4. Scott Justenssen (AKA QSHIPQ)
>Tuner and wrench extraordinaire, always looking for the best solution.  Has
>many clients, seems to be one of "The Guys" in the states when it comes to
>racing mods and tunes.  A pleathora of experience, drives what he preaches,
>driving teacher and pit crew/mechanic for an Audi race team.
>A true enthusiast...
>
>Do any of the people listed above seem like they would be liars, confused,
>or stupid?  Is it possible that all 4 of you are right?  That Phil and Dave
>have never experienced or heard of (except us) the Bite?  Why not?  That
>Scott and Jeff have Biter's all the time?  Why here (USA) and not there
>(England, NZ, anywhere else)?
>
>The challenge I throw to everyone interested in this issue, esp. those
>listed, is to explain why Dave and Phil don't experience bite, and Scott
and
>Dave do.  Assuming that both parties legitimately are correct in there
>positions, why don't Englsih and NZ spiders bite, and American spiders do?
>
>Any comments like "Well, those yanks are wanks and can't drive", or "those
>Ferrinners don't toss them cars around corners like us Murricans", will not
>be considered seriously.  Formula One and Indy certainly proves Furrinner's
>drive as good or better than Yanks...
>
>This is a serious challenge.  Let's not analyze or counter analyze
positions
>until we get a bunch of comments out on the table, then we can walk through
>them one by one.
>
>Who's got the Balls to ante up first???
>
>Gary
>