Re: Tires (here we go again)

[Todd Phenneger <phen9461@uidaho.edu>]

I'll second that about list attitude.  I never used to get flamed.  I
usually try to be nice in remarks and make it obvious if I'm kidding.  But
lately, Sometimes I dont know what peoples intentions are.  ITs a good
thing for events like Monterey, Pikes Peak, track events, and other club
meeting that hold some of us together.  Those events are so much fun it
makes the problems well worth it.  As do the savings on parts and Labor.
:-)
	As for new models.  True.  But what about the models that were new
last year that no-one commented on because they were "New".  OR those that
just put Snows on and can give priliminary reports or Dry Handling
reports.  I'm really not trying to start a big thread (although posts like
mine often do hence my warning and precautions).  BUt I did want some
answers on the Graspics.  Which I didn't see much discussed about last
year.  I've so far gotten one excellent report.  Waiting for more.
	L8R

	Todd Phenneger
	1983 ur-q / black / getting a MC
	1984 4000 quattro / modified/ turbo conv almost done.
	1987 4000 quattro / Saphire Metallic Blue/ Girlfriend's
	1996 A6q / Volcano / Dads Car
   *****1985 5kt / PARTING OUT!

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, David Head wrote:

> I'm really not bitching, complaining or chastising. Actually, I follow all the tire
> discussions quite closely. The lead snow tire expert last year was none other than Scott
> J - who did a marvelous dissertation on the response of just about all makes at
> Steamboat.
> We just all need a little levity here these days. I've seen the rancor level on the list
> high before, but never higher than the last couple of weeks. It saddens me, because it
> cheapens the list. I've save so much money and met so many good people I'd hate to see
> it suffer just at a time when Audi prestige is reaching the highest point here in the US
> it has ever seen.
> It would also be wise to assume if there are new models of snow tire avail now that
> weren't around last year its likely that no one on the list has tried them out yet...
> 
> Todd Phenneger wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, David Head wrote:
> >
> > > Last year we discussed all relative merits of all major snow tires. Its an annual
> > > event, like the Torsen debate. We just sling snow insteada mud.
> >
> >         Yes, I remember very well.  As I said in my last message.  THIS
> > YEAR.  I havent' seen a good debate THIS year.  Its inevitable.  many new
> > listers.  I haven't seen it Yet though.  Other than a small thread a
> > couple weeks ago that I missed.  Also, the Graspics didn't have much first
> > hand experience last year from what I remember and thats the tire I want
> > Info on.  Real experience, not jsut "I heards" from peop.le.
> >
> > > Dave (who lives in FL and doesn't worry about snow tires much and owns a Torsen
> > > 200q that doesn't get close enough to 9/10s to matter and isn't interested or
> > > worried enough to replace tranny and driveshaft with an earlier non torsen model -
> > > but still reads all posts, has met both EF and SJ, like them both and would
> > > probably like DE and PP even though all of them have egos the size of Texas)
> > >
> >         Well, I follow the debate too.  But I find the Snow tire threads
> > good as an annual event as their are always more people new to the list
> > and new tires coming out.  this year there are TWO new blizaks to add to
> > the Brideston Corners Repitoire, Michelin has a ocuple new entries, one of
> > them an H-rated performance Winter tire to give the Hakka NRW and Pirelli
> > a run for their Money.  Also the Bridgestone MZ-02 although I think its a
> > little outclassed on the road with since its still oriented more towards
> > snow, just with the lower profile.  :-)
> >         Anyhow, thanks for all the constructive tire thoughts.
> > Running and ducking
> >         todd Phenneger
>