In a message dated 12/15/99 7:37:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, audi@mediaone.net writes: << and a '87 5kTQ w/ same mileage is worth less than half of that. > doesnt make sense.... Yes it does... >> ok, so the 4k's dont have the sucky mineral hydraulic system....aside from that - i dont see any plus... just kidding, Huw... ;<) (have i just started a flame war? ;<) chris die hard type 44T fan