RE: FS: '87 4kq Turbo

["Kaklikian, Gary" <Gary.Kaklikian@Compaq.com>]

Since I own both a mildly-modified 5000TQ and a fairly seriously modified
4000TQ, I feel compelled to comment (just my opinions of course).

- A stock 4000Q is far less troublesome than a 5000TQ, primarily because it
is a less complex car (just compare the Bentley's).

- A stock 4000Q has more responsive handling in all conditions than a
5000TQ, and is better in the snow. It has better torsional rigidity and
driver feedback.

- A stock 4000Q  is seriously underpowered for high-altitude use (but then
again so is a NA 20V coupe or  V6 Audi) and is nowhere near as comfortable
as a 4- or even 2-passenger highway cruiser as the 5000TQ.

- Professional turbo conversions can be of high quality and worth the money
(relatively-speaking). The "total package" is what counts --  expert advice,
the engine rebuild, the numerous customizations, the attention to detail,
the integration of chassis and powertrain mods, etc.

- Most Listers have sunk way more money into their cars than they can ever
hope to recoup. Market value is whatever an enthusiast is willing to pay for
a modified and/or well-maintained car.

- The smaller cars - UrQ's, 4000Q's - are far more suitable for track use
than the Type 44 or other larger cars. It all depends on  how much track
time the car will see and how much of the "streetworthiness" you're willing
to sacrifice.  To be fast on the track, a 5000TQ would have to be
stripped-down and purpose-built.

- I'm reluctant to use the term "PIG" to describe any Audi, but a nearly
2-ton Torsen-diff'd car (you know which model I'm referring to), is
definitely not ideal for  the track. Weight and girth (not mine, the car's)
is a definite disadvantage on the track (not to mention the Torsen, don't
want to rekindle that thread again). 

But again, it's all relative. My track companion, ex national caliber
Formula Mazda racer, insists my 4000TQ is "too heavy" and "won't turn in",
even with only 10 lbs/hp (soon) and  neutral handling that borders on
"loose" in my opinion. 

Gary Kaklikian
86 4kcstq
86 5kcstq


ps Pat - I'm look forwarding to meeing up with you and some of the other
4000TQ owners at PIR someday. Hopefully next year. When is the QClub event
scheduled for?

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Martin [mailto:mardkins@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:26 AM
To: Todd Phenneger; quattro list
Cc: TM
Subject: Re: FS: '87 4kq Turbo 


Even on a track like PIR the 4ktq is way faster.  My stock motor was faster
than a stock 5kt at Portland.  They could catch you on the main straight but
were so slow in the corners lap times would be a second or 2 less.

And I have driven a 5kqt on that track and it is a PIG.  It is a great
highway cruiser but its weight is a real liability in handling.

Pat


> However at a wide open track like PIR I think the 200/5ktq is
> actualy potentially faster just due to aerodynamics.  ANd I owuldnt' agree
> with Pats term of calling them Dogs or whatever it was.  they are heavy
> but set up well they can still fly.  But they just dont feel like the
> 4kq.  Its a much more personal car.
> l8r
> todd