RE: FS: '87 4kq Turbo

[Todd Phenneger <phen9461@uidaho.edu>]

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, TM wrote:

> When Pat started talking about 400hp 4ktqs, I'd say that
> a used Evo IV (since you mention Evo IV, not VI), will easily
> blow a 4ktq into the weeds and is comparable in price. You can
> get an Evo IV for around $25-30k, some modded to over 350 bhp.
> Are you telling me that a prepped 4ktq with 400hp is going to
> cost less than that?

I have NEVER seen an Evo for $25.  At least not here in the USA.  THey are
$80 imported and the only other ones that are here are for Rallying.  But
if I did, then would I would concede that that would be a very good
match.  ANd a prepped Evo would blow it away.  But not a stock one.  For
$25,000 you can build a 4ktq that will give any Evo or 911tt a run for its
money.  Ultimately the newer cars might win out due to newer Aerodynamics,
drivetrains, etc.  But for a pure track car..well...I think it would be
fun to find out.  We'll see how Virginia City is this year.  Maybe an Evo
will be there.  I bet Alex will be with his 4ktq.

> Anyway, we all should know that it's the driver that counts a
> lot more than the car. I'll wager that someone with Michael
> Schumacher's skills or the late Ayrton Senna's skills would easily
> give any of these people you mention a run for their money on
> the track, even with a significantly lesser powered car.

	Well, Yea.  But thats not the discussion.  None of us are that
caliber of driver.  Even though we might dream of it at night. :-)

> >From what I've heard and seen, most of the 993 turbos you see are
> not driven by the most competent drivers. After all, not that many
> people can afford such a car, so the pool of competent drivers who
> are also economically qualified to own such a car becomes very slim.

	Yes, and this guy usually takes it pretty easy doing ONLY 130mph
at the end of a straight that modded 5ktq's etc are doing MAYBE 115 at the
end of if that.  But when Alex went out agains him, well, like anyone,
cant get beaten by the lesser car.  They got into it a bit.  
	Look, sure, an $80 car might be a little better, and more
reliable.  But for $8,000 to $20,000 for a 200-400hp AWD performance car
that can embarass M3's, 911's, Ferrari's, etc (esp with the right
driver) its a great value.  Thats all us 4ktq fanatics are saying.  Its
NOT the best car int he world.  Far from it.  But for the price its just
about impossible to beat.  And for those of us that like wrenching, its SO
much more enjoyable to do it yourself and then go beat a 911 around the
track for 1/2 the price.  Or at least match it.  Thats all we are saying.

> And stop talking about an old Evo IV being $80k. A true $80k Evo IV
> would be a real track monster and I doubt that any Audi short of the
> full-on race cars could keep up. There's good reason why the Brit
> car mags are so hot on the Mitsubishi Lancers and Subaru Imprezas.
> They're fast all around- straight line and corners. There's not much
> that can keep up with these cars that is still production-based. 

	Yes, they are great cars.  BUt IN THE USA a new Evo (v or whatever
it is I dont keep track) is $80.  Out of LA.  I havent seen any other
importers but thats what they charge.   THats a Bone Stock Evo.  Great
car, but thats a LOT of money.  I can take an S4 and chip it and be in
that power department for less than that.  

> This whole discussion is getting silly. As you said, apples to pumpkins.
> A 4k and a 5k are totally different cars, comparing them is rather
> silly. I wouldn't compare a Chevy Tahoe with a Corvette, although they
> are both Chevys. I would rather have a 4ktq for a track car, yes. However,
> as a daily driver, I need a car with interior space and luggage capacity,
> and the 4k just doesn't work for me. To each his own.

	Exactly.  BUt this thread was never about luggage capacity.  
ANyhow, seems we agree but are hashing it anyhow.  So enought from me.
l8r
	Todd (still smiling)  DOne with finals.