This my be common knowledge but for the sake of any lister that may not know: Turn OFF your ABS in the snow. This allows the snow to pile up in front of the wheels to stop you. w/ ABS on it takes about 1.5X longer to come to a stop. to build on Hew's formula: 0 x 4 = 0 x 2 0 x 4/ABS = -1.5 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com