Help - The Bomb

[Chuck Pierce]

Richard
Something you will notice if you follow the board much. Bernie has his "
methods " of repair that are effective if not a little unconventional to
most of us. His methods will get the job done, some of the people on the
board prefer to do the projects in a less direct manner( brutal ). I
myself am of the group that will try to do the job with the proper tools
if possible. As Bernie is Bernie he is at times given static for his
methods.
Phil and Bernie are regular listers here and will throw barbs at each
other. That is what makes reading some these posts interesting. Both
have a lot of great information to contribute to the list.

Chuck Pierce
91 200 tq 20v

Phil Rose wrote:

> At 7:59 PM +0200 9/4/03, Richard Tanimura wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> Your questioning my procedure is justifiable but as I pointed out to
>> you in
>> a private post, the other plugs changed using the same technique do not
>> leak.
>
>
> In fact, I did fail to recognize from your post that it was the very
> _same_ cap needing re-sealing each time. But yes, if that was the
> case I agree it would point to something other than tightening
> technique. Inability to tighten to a reliable reference (torque) does
> still need to be considered as a possible cause of leakage, but I
> suspect that insufficient tightening is unlikely--especially after
> several tries.  I did mention o-ring lubrication, too, didn't I?
>
>>  And you are certainly free to your opinions about why I do thing my
>> way. Frankly I wonder myself sometimes why I do things the way I do. But
>> that doesn't help me much.
>
>
> Sorry if you took offense at my comment. It was really just a little
> "barb" aimed at Bernie, not you. However I believe it _is_ hard to
> justify a _preference_ for a screwdriver/chisel alternative to the
> simple, inexpensive socket recommended in the official shop manual.
> Especially if the "alternative" damages caps and/or the job turns out
> less than 100% successful.
>
>> I did find the suggestions made by Chuck and Bernie to be
>> constructive and
>> helpful. Thanks nonetheless for your input.
>
>
> Sorry that you found my suggestions neither constructive nor helpful.
>
> Phil
>
>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 200q20v-admin at audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-admin at audifans.com]On
>> Behalf Of Phil Rose
>> Sent: den 4 september 2003 17:51
>> To: Bernie Benz
>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
>> Subject: Re: Help - The Bomb
>>
>>
>> At 8:13 AM -0700 9/4/03, Bernie Benz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Phil, IMO there is absolutely no tech reason that any specific
>>> torque need
>>> be applied to these cyl. heads.  They screw into a flat metal to metal
>>> interface and can move no farther, this position leaves the correct
>>> squeeze
>>> on the O-ring.  A screw driver can easily achieve this metal to metal
>>> contact and no further torque is needed.  Thus, a drag link socket
>>> is not
>>> needed for installation nor for removal, as they can easily be
>>> removed with
>>> a chisel if not with a screw driver.
>>
>>
>> Bernie,
>> For one thing, using the drag-link socket certainly makes removal of
>> the caps less likley to create damage--especially if they had
>> previously been tightened to specs. Yes, I agree it's probably not
>> necessary to go all the way to the "specified" torque, except that
>> doing so provides a reliable means to know if adequate tightness was
>> actually achieved (again, without damaging the caps).  When someone
>> (e.g.,  Rich) has had do re-do the job several time over because of
>> leaks, there's reason to suspect all aspects of his
>> procedure--including the tightening torque used. Do it with a
>> drag-link and a torque wrench removes all doubts about _that_ aspect
>> of the job.
>>
>> IMO, there's scant reason other than an emergency repair (or extreme
>> poverty/cheapness) to _not_ use the drag-link method and a torque
>> wrench.  I'll stick to doing (and recommending) my way.
>>
>> Phil
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>> Phil Rose
>> Rochester, NY
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