Distributor gear replaced, no start

[Ed Kellock]

Tried to take some pictures but my camera can't cope with the situation.
So...

I have the spark plugs out and am moving the car in gear to rotate the
engine.

I have the 0 mark on the flywheel in the transmission housing window.

Here's what I see:
-on the trans housing:
---the flat or step edge 
---a line or hash mark about 1/4 inch from this edge 

-on the flywheel
---the 0 mark
---a line or hash mark directly above and centered on the 0

Prior to disassembly I had the 0 lined up with the hash mark on the trans
housing.
In this orientation, the flywheel 0 hash mark was positioned underneath the
trans housing lip.

I now have the flywheel 0 hash mark lined up with the step edge of the trans
housing.  
This orientation seems to be the most consistent with teh SJM link and
Bentley pix.

With a long thin screwdriver, I can tell that #1 pistion is all the way up.

The distributor rotor and hall rotor hash mark are both pointed toward the
front of the car as they should be.

If this is true TDC, then I do need to rotate the dist housing a bit to line
up the mark with the hall rotor mark.

Is this true TDC?  Do I still need to address cam timing?

The physical relationship between crank and cam has not changed so if I have
the dist rotor in the #1 position and the flywheel marks in the TDC position
and the #1 piston all the way up, doesn't this indicate that the cam timing
would be correct then?  Both valves closed for the ignition event?

Ed


> -----Original Message-----
> From: 200q20v-bounces at audifans.com 
> [mailto:200q20v-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kellock
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:20 AM
> To: 'Peter Schulz'; 'q - 200q20v'
> Subject: RE: Distributor gear replaced, no start
> 
> 
> This may very well be the issue as I did not check cam timing 
> at all.  (Is that cover hard to remove?)  
> 
> In regard to the flywheel mark and per the instructions in 
> the link below, I have found the 0 mark on the flywheel and 
> the "flat shaped edge" in the transmission mounting hole that 
> is shown in the picture, I also have a line scribed in the 
> metal adjacent to that flat-shaped-edge on that same piece of 
> metal (the part that does not rotate).  I lined the 0 up with 
> that prior to disassembly, not the flat shaped edge.  I 
> suspect that this may have been incorrect. 
> 
> Back under the hood this morning,
> Ed
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Schulz [mailto:pcschulz at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:12 AM
> > To: Ed Kellock; 'q - 200q20v'
> > Subject: Re: Distributor gear replaced, no start
> > 
> > 
> > Ed:
> > 
> > See if you can take some pictures and post...
> > You definitely have a timing issue...
> > Distributor  cap firing order is as you said, 1-2-4-5-3, starting
> > from about the 8'clock position when looking at the dist with 
> > the cap off.
> > 
> > http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/eng.html#tim
> > 
> > may help....
> > 
> > 
> > -Peter
> > 
> > 
> > At 10:19 PM 4/8/2006, Ed Kellock wrote:
> > >My first thought is spark plug wire order.  I removed them
> > all from the
> > >cap without marking and put them back starting with #1 and going
> > >clockwise through the firing order.  Is this an acceptable 
> > approach?
> > >Bently says 1-2-4-5-3, is this correct?
> > >
> > >When I removed the dist, I got the rotor in pointing at 
> the #1 spark
> > >plug and set the 0 at the hash mark in the flywheel 
> window.  Then I 
> > >marked the distributor base and the mounting flange.  I did 
> > not notice
> > >the mark on the revolving hall window thingy inside the dist
> > which of
> > >course has a mark that should line up with the mark on the
> > dist body.
> > >When I put it back, with my marks lined up, those marks 
> were not.  I
> > >double-checked the 0 in the flywheel window and it had not 
> > moved, so I
> > >went with my marks, thinking maybe I shouldn't have lined up
> > the 0 on
> > >the has mark but instead centered it on the S curve part in
> > there like
> > >some of the pictures in the book show. Nevertheless, I believe I
> > >replaced it with the same timing as when I removed it.
> > >
> > >When I cranked it over, it would catch but not start.  
> There was one
> > >ill-timed firing which is when I quit cuz I know that 
> > indicates there's
> > >something not timed right.
> > >
> > >Anyhow, I've quit for the night and will return tomorrow morning to
> > >check timing marks etc.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ed
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> > -Peter Schulz
> > Chelmsford Ma, USA
> > 
> > 1991 200 20v Q Avant Titan Grey
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> > 
> > 1990 CQ silver (awaiting S2 engine transplant)
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> > 
> > 
> 
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