[BiturboS4] Blown Turbos (Non-Chipped S4) - Update

Thu Apr 10 16:56:21 EDT 2003

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the one thing that audi has no control over is the cooloff before
shutting down the motor.  if they had installed a factory turbo timer
device, then these turbos would probably las a lot longer.  it's hard to
pump oil through a turbo with burned oil in the lines and center
housing.  I was going to put a turbo timer in mine, but it looked like a
wiring nightmare and heard it throws codes when things like the climate
controil try to operate with no power to the fans.

any thoughts?
Mike

j y wrote:

>Bruce,
>
>Thanks for the advice. At this point, there is no
>record of me inquiring about strange noises under my
>hood until today. I can guarantee you that AUDI is
>going to use TODAY as my day of record.
>
>That being said - I am SORRY - this is a well known
>and documented problem. I will resort to trickery to
>get Audi USA to honor mechanical defect - NOT AS A
>RESULT OF ABUSE (the common claim of manufacturers).
>
>The boost on this car never has NEVER been enhanced (I
>must admit that I was planning to do so - but this
>turbo failure got in the way).
>
>So, that being said - in my opinion - it's is
>unreasonable for a manufacturer to try and weasle out
>of a claim when the machine is just 2k mi over the
>warranty expiration - that is just TOO close - like
>horse shoes and hand grenades. If I have to go the
>"lemon law" route - I will. Too many people are aware
>of the S4's reputation for turbo failure.
>
>In fact, the guys at AWE said "that even the late
>2001s and 2002s have had turbo failure." Rule of thumb
>was, the 2000s and early 2001s were suspect.
>
>I will not accept anything LESS than 2 new turbos and
>plumbing under warranty!
>
>BTW, the car is sitting in my driveway - it will not
>be operated until April 16th - when I drive it to the
>dealer.
>
>In the meantime, I am driving my ALT (not up on my
>German spelling - probably misspelled) PORSCHE. Thank
>God - it's still ticking after 125k mi (on the
>original turbo - been chipped for 5k mi - mainly keep
>it at stock boost w/the Greddy Boost controller)and a
>new body (kit). It wasn't meant to be my every day car
>- thatwas what the S4 was suppoed to be.
>
>jy
>
>--- Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Get Audi USA involved and on the record now.....if
>>you drive around till
>>4/16, they may say you made the condition get worse
>>and/or more expensive to
>>repair. Tell Audi you started hearing the noise
>>PRIOR to expiration of the
>>warranty, but were told when calling casually that
>>turbos make whistling
>>noises, and it was normal, and to call/visit if it
>>got worse.
>>
>>It got worse, you are trying to visit, and this is a
>>known issue which you
>>expect them to take care of if in fact it turns out
>>to be blown turbos.
>>
>>Good luck!
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "j y" <jimnetpa at yahoo.com>
>>To: "biturbos4" <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:52 PM
>>Subject: [BiturboS4] Blown Turbos (Non-Chipped S4) -
>>Update
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well Folks,
>>>
>>>My worst fear was confirmed today. Before taking
>>>
>>>
>>my
>>
>>
>>>beloved Y2K Imola S4 to the Audi dealer - I opted
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>get an INDEPENDENT opinion - first.
>>>
>>>While doing some other work (at 52.9k mi - it's
>>>
>>>
>>out of
>>
>>
>>>warranty) on my S4, I asked AWE (reputable Audi
>>>
>>>
>>Tuner
>>
>>
>>>that is well known) to confirm my suspicions about
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>HIGH pitched siren like whine coming from my
>>>
>>>
>>engine
>>
>>
>>>compartment when acclerating (becomes very
>>>
>>>
>>noticeable
>>
>>
>>>at 2k RPMs and above).
>>>
>>>Their professional opinion - Your S4 didn't throw
>>>
>>>
>>any
>>
>>
>>>VAG codes BUT - IT HAS NO BOOST TO SPEAK OF - PLUS
>>>
>>>
>>THE
>>
>>
>>>HIGH PITCHED WHINE - Buddy - We think you blew
>>>
>>>
>>your
>>
>>
>>>turbo(s)- Call AUDI - since you are so close to
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>warranty expiration and you've NEVER CHIPPED the
>>>
>>>
>>car.
>>
>>
>>>I called the Audi dealer who sold me the car and
>>>
>>>
>>has
>>
>>
>>>serviced it from the beginning. Their response -
>>>
>>>
>>"YOU
>>
>>
>>>ARE THE FIRST 2.7 to REPORT THIS PROBLEM TO US.
>>>
>>>
>>CAN WE
>>
>>
>>>CALL YOU BACK?"
>>>
>>>Approximately 1/2 later, I receive a call from the
>>>Service Rep (the one who took my call originally).
>>>Again, the conversation goes like this:
>>>
>>>AUDI: "SIR - AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS
>>>PROBLEM WITH 2.7 ENGINES."
>>>
>>>ME: Yeah..well Audi World.com is littered with
>>>
>>>
>>emails
>>
>>
>>>from 2.7 engine owners who have blown turbos and
>>>
>>>
>>it's
>>
>>
>>>well documented. It's been traced to oil inlet and
>>>other associated problems.
>>>
>>>AUDI: "CAN U HOLD FOR A MINUTE?"
>>>
>>>ME: Sure.
>>>
>>>AUDI: "HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S A BLOWN TURBO?"
>>>
>>>ME: I had an inpendent shop look at the car. AWE.
>>>
>>>
>>You
>>
>>
>>>know them (this dealer and AWE have done some work
>>>
>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>the past).
>>>
>>>AUDI: "WELL..CAN U BRING THE CAR TO US ON APRIL
>>>
>>>
>>16th
>>
>>
>>>FOR DIAGNOSIS?"
>>>
>>>ME: Only..if I get a loaner car
>>>
>>>AUDI: "OK..IF IT IS A BLOWN TURBO..THE BEST WE CAN
>>>
>>>
>>DO
>>
>>
>>>IS 50% ON PARTS/LABOR" - Note: They have NOT even
>>>
>>>
>>seen
>>
>>
>>>the car at this point - but they did pull my
>>>maintenance history up on their computer.
>>>
>>>ME: ok...April 16th..Loaner Car....I AM NOT
>>>
>>>
>>ACCEPTING
>>
>>
>>>A 50/50 DEAL...YOU COMPLETE YOUR DIAGNOSIS ON
>>>
>>>
>>APRIL
>>
>>
>>>16th...THEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY...THIS
>>>
>>>
>>CAR
>>
>>
>>>"NEVER" HAS BEEN CHIPPED or HAD THE BOOST
>>>
>>>
>>INCREASED.
>>
>>
>>>THERE ARE MANY POSTINGS ON AUDI WORLD ABOUT S4
>>>
>>>
>>TURBO
>>
>>
>>>FAILURE. I AM ONLY 2k MI OUT OF WARRANTY. I
>>>
>>>
>>FOLLOWED
>>
>>
>>>"ALL" AUDI RECOMMEDED MAINTENANCE - AT YOUR
>>>DEALERSHIP. I DO NOT FEEL ANY LIABILITY HERE."
>>>
>>>AUDI: "SEE YOU ON APRIL 16th."
>>>
>>>Stay tuned boyz and gurlz.
>>>
>>>jy
>>>00 S4 Aggressive Imola
>>>86 951 Porsche
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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