[BiturboS4] Re: BiturboS4 digest, Vol 1 #328 - 7 msgs

[Jason Washing]

Does anyone know if turbos are covered by the "audi assured" used car
warranty. Just curious.

Jason
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>    1. Re: S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary Diagnosis (Michael
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>    2. RE: My S4 Lemon Letter came (Erik J. Engstrom)
>    3. Re: S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary Diagnosis (j y)
>    4. RE: Tire time (James M. De Arras)
>    5. Re: S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary Diagnosis (Kjos')
>    6. Blown Turbo Implellers - Update - Dealing With AoA (j y)
>    7. Re: S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary Diagnosis (Ti Kan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:15:49 -0700
> From: Michael Kuriger <michael at isuzu-mods.com>
> To: j y <jimnetpa at yahoo.com>
> Cc: biturbos4 <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary
Diagnosis
>
> impellers also break off when a dv or torn throttle body boot are left
> unfixed.  since the boost will leak out, the wastegates will stay closed
> and allow the turbos to overspin.  so if you have upgraded these parts
> that should be a good thing.  Another thing that can blow them is
> putting on a free flowing exhaust.  this releases backpressure that is
> engineered into the system in order to throttle the turbos and prevent
> overspin.  Since you have a totally stock s4, these are not the cause
> for your problem but just wanted to let others know.
>
> My 2001 S4 is up to about 13,000 miles already and has a giac x chip and
> awe duel exhaust.  I'm planning to put on the bigger turbos soon as well
> once I figure out how to install them.
>
> -=Mike
>
>
> j y wrote:
>
> >To The List,
> >
> >Well, I made that visit to my local Audi dealer today
> >and I must admit, it was like going to the doctor to
> >get a flu shot. You don't want that BIG needle headed
> >your way - cause u know it's gonna hurt.
> >
> >To make a long story short - the official Audi
> >diagnosis is blown impellers (spelling?) - both
> >turbos.
> >
> >They have no clue as to how this could happen and want
> >to break down the engine. They speculate that
> >something got into the intake system but cannot figure
> >out how it could have gotten by the intercoolers and
> >damage both impellers. The siren (like a police car)
> >sound that I hear are the distorted impellers
> >according to the Audi tech.
> >
> >I inquired whether this impeller damage could have
> >been as a result of excessive heat causing warpage and
> >breaking off of the impeller blade(s) on the turbos?
> >He would not say yes/or no. His answer was the same
> >"need to break down the engine and investigate."
> >
> >Since there have been documented problems with the oil
> >inlets on Y2K and early 2001 S4s - I figured that
> >excessive heat damage due to inadequate oil flow was a
> >potential culprit.
> >
> >Anyway, "the 'ballpark' estimate to replace two turbos
> >with direct replacements + labor will about $6500"
> >according to the Service Mgr.
> >
> >Again, the Service Mgr said "Audi's policy is to go
> >50/50 with customers out of warranty as goodwill." He
> >said "that Audi's rationale behind this is a
> >pro-rating based on a 100k mi expected engine life."
> >
> >Thus, I have 52k mi  on my S4 - so Audi considers my
> >engine to be 50% depreciated based on a 100k mi
> >standard.
> >
> >I understand this but I still have a personal problem
> >if the damaged impellers are a result of excessive
> >heat or manufacturer's defect.
> >
> >I left my S4 at the dealer and said "that I would
> >think about Audi's 50/50 offer." I will be asking for
> >something in writing from the dealership confirming
> >this 50/50 proposition.
> >
> >On another note, I replaced the Stratmosphere DVs with
> >the OEM Bosch DVs before going to the dealer. Well,
> >they noticed that the DVs had been swapped out -
> >beause the OEM clamps on the Bosch DVs cannot be
> >gotten in the aftermkt and I didn't keep the orginal
> >OEM clamps.
> >
> >So, no OEM clamps on the Bosch DVs leaves one open for
> >questioning at the dealer. Regardless, this little
> >incident did not change their proposal to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> From: "Erik J. Engstrom" <engstrom at rawbw.com>
> To: <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:31:40 -0500
> Subject: [BiturboS4] RE: My S4 Lemon Letter came
>
> Got the Audi offer to buyback my S4. Paltry, paltry, paltry... Infuriated
me
> to the Nth degree. It's a standard arbitration offer. Completely
disregards
> everything but the most current repair... Like this is all about one
thing.
> OOoooh my blood is boiling.
>
> I'm going to give them a call and speak with the "mediation arbitration
> analyst" and give them one more chance verbally to do better.
>
> I'm really dissapointed by AoA.
>
> Erik
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: j y <jimnetpa at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary
Diagnosis
> To: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>, biturbos4 at audifans.com
>
> Well Ti,
>
> I know that my Y2K S4 is DEFINITELY the old style -
> build date was 11/99. There weren't any 2001(s) being
> built during that month. I am making the assumption
> that the replacements are the NEW style with the
> associated plumbing - check my update post (to this
> list) for details.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> jy
>
> --- Ti Kan <ti at amb.org> wrote:
> > All this talk about blown turbos has me wondering...
> >  How does one identify
> > whether an S4 has the old style or the new improved
> > turbos upon cursory
> > examination?  I heard something about using the
> > production date as
> > a marker, but is that definitive? Or is there a VIN
> > number cutoff?
> > My 2001 S4 has (I think, need to double check) a
> > production date of 10/00.
> > VIN# is WAURD68D41A072463.  Does it have the
> > improved turbos or not?
> >
> > I am sure this has been mentioned on AudiWorld but I
> > don't read the forums
> > there often.  Signal-to-noise ratio is too low and I
> > don't like the web
> > format.  If there is an AudiWorld forum posting that
> > contains good info
> > on this subject I would appreciate direct links.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Ti
> > 2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
> > 2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
> > 1984 5000S turbo
> > 1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
> > --
> >     ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch
> > Technik
> >    ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
> >   ///    ti at amb.org
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> Message: 4
> Subject: RE: [BiturboS4] Tire time
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:03:07 -0400
> From: "James M. De Arras" <jmd at westlab.com>
> To: "Mitchell Leben" <mitch at leben.com>, <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
>
> Try Costco.  Michelin Pilot Sports @ $170 installed.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch at leben.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: biturbos4 at audifans.com
> Subject: [BiturboS4] Tire time
>
> 24K miles on my original Pirelli P6000 tires, 2001 S4. A pothole killed
> one of them, and I am shopping for a new set. They were due for
> replacement soon anyway.
>
> I do mostly around town driving, with an occasional autocross thrown in
> for fun.
>
> Tires I am considering in 225/45-17:
>
> Bridgestone S-03 Pole Position: $216 @ discount tire
>
> Michelin Pilot Sport: $256 @ discount tire
>
> What else should I look at? I am looking for the best handling, tread
> life
> is not too important, 20K miles is OK.
>
> Of course tirerack.com is cheaper, but I'm not sure how I would get them
> mounted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> -Mitch
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Reply-To: "Kjos'" <fastwheels3 at attbi.com>
> From: "Kjos'" <fastwheels3 at attbi.com>
> To: <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary
Diagnosis
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:38:59 -0700
>
> Ti,
>
> Your car has the old turbos FOR SURE. The redesigned turbos were put in
cars
> starting in 11-01. I have the P/Ns somewhere of the new turbos they put in
> my '01 S4. If you can find the P/Ns of your turbos then you can compare.
If
> you cannot find them then please don't ask me to dig through "stuff" that
> should have been filed.
>
> John Kjos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary
> Diagnosis
>
>
> > All this talk about blown turbos has me wondering...  How does one
> identify
> > whether an S4 has the old style or the new improved turbos upon cursory
> > examination?  I heard something about using the production date as
> > a marker, but is that definitive? Or is there a VIN number cutoff?
> > My 2001 S4 has (I think, need to double check) a production date of
10/00.
> > VIN# is WAURD68D41A072463.  Does it have the improved turbos or not?
> >
> > I am sure this has been mentioned on AudiWorld but I don't read the
forums
> > there often.  Signal-to-noise ratio is too low and I don't like the web
> > format.  If there is an AudiWorld forum posting that contains good info
> > on this subject I would appreciate direct links.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Ti
> > 2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
> > 2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
> > 1984 5000S turbo
> > 1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
> > --
> >     ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
> >    ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
> >   ///    ti at amb.org
> >  //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
> > ///
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: j y <jimnetpa at yahoo.com>
> To: biturbos4 <biturbos4 at audifans.com>
> Subject: [BiturboS4] Blown Turbo Implellers - Update - Dealing With AoA
>
> To The List,
>
>
> Well, I hate to say admit it...but Walter (aka Uncle
> Wally) and Ian were correct (damn...I hate admitting
> this).
>
> As it stands, my best deal from AoA is 50/50, unless I
> want to bring on the legal eagles.
>
> At the end of the day, I decided that it would take to
> much effort on my part to fight AoA because I had a
> pretty similiar experience with MERCRUISER recently.
>
> I just had to purchase a new BOAT ENGINE at $5k
> because of the SHITTY exhaust manifolds that
> MERCRUISER installed on it's (1999-2001) 4.3L V6
> engines.
>
> Similar story to Audi - they are on the THIRD
> generation of exhaust mainfolds because water can
> backflow into the engine causing hydra-lock and
> fucking up the internals.
>
> Of course, MERCRUISER keeps this secret to themselves
> until you are out of warranty, and getting marine
> aftermkt warranties is not as easy as getting aftermkt
> car warranties.
>
> So, this defect silently destroys your engine until
> you turn the key one day and BAM! - it won't kick over
> - cause SEA or FRESH WATER does not ignite!
>
> Mercruiser warranties the manifolds for 2 yrs. Yes -
> one could claim that this is a manufacturer's defect -
> like the S4 turbos - but Mercruiser will stall you to
> death if u do not have an aftermkt warranty - and most
> marine aftermkt warranty companies are aware of the
> problem with the 4.3L V6 exhaust manifolds and find a
> way to exclude coverage - if they can.
>
> Also - if u don't get the aftermkt warranty before the
> manufacturer's (MERCRUISER)warranty expires - like me
> -you are SOL - like me !!!!! That's a quirk in the
> marine industry.
>
> So, that being said - I asked "the Audi dealer (this
> is the place where I purchased the car) for written
> confrmation of his offer of 50% co-payment on my turbo
> repair."  Well, did he got a SERIOUS attitude (over
> the phone) and told me "to contact AoA."
>
> I immediately contacted AoA, and I communicated my
> experience with the damaged impellers on my S4, and
> the dealer's offer of a 50% co-payment on the repair.
>
> They took down the information and gave me a claim
> number. They also contacted the dealer while I was on
> the line with them.
>
> When the customer service rep returned to the line,
> they said "that AoA was willing to stand behind the
> dealer's offer of 50% for the repair, and that the
> claim number was my proof of that."
>
> AoA would NOT give me WRITTEN confirmation (only
> verbally over the phone) of this agreement either, but
> said "that I, or my LAWYER, could use this claim
> number as reference, if this agreement was breached by
> the dealer.
>
> Quite frankly, the Service Mgr's attitude rubbed me
> the wrong way. He stated "that he would not give me
> written confirmation because he did not want such a
> document ending up on the Internet."
>
> I said that I would not authorize work to be done
> based on a verbal agreement that could he easily
> re-interpret once the car was completed (50% now
> becomes 35% or 25%). In effect, I did NOT want to be
> left HOLDING THE BAG.
>
> He felt that my requesting a written confirmation of
> Audi's 50/50 co-pay arrangement "would be like pulling
> down his pants and ramming it up his ***."
>
> I said, "well how the HELL do u think I feel if I let
> you disassemble and re-assemble my S4 based on VERBAL
> agreement with no witnesses other than HIS employees.
> You don't think that I feel like I'm getting SHAFTED
> here too!."
>
> I received a preliminary estimate of $5400 to "fix"
> the car, of which $2700 would be on me.
>
> I then mentioned that I would contact my aftermkt
> warranty company about the $2700 balance. He then
> says, "if u file a claim with your aftermkt warranty
> company, the 50/50 deal with AoA is off!"
>
> He then offered to contact the aftermkt warranty
> company to see if they would cover the full claim.
>
> Well, knowing that companies operate in the own best
> self interest - I don't expect the aftermkt warranty
> guys to come running to my rescue (hmmmm...i can see
> them now..wow..we just receive a $250 premium payment
> from him, and now he has a $5k+ claim,...hell...we're
> good guys..let's pay it...NOT!).
>
> So, my situation is probably more like (the line from
> a fairly well known pop song)....."me and AoA are in
> this thing together."
>
> jy
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] S4 Blown Turbos - Update - Audi's Preliminary
Diagnosis
> To: fastwheels3 at attbi.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
> Cc: biturbos4 at audifans.com
>
> Kjos' writes:
> > Your car has the old turbos FOR SURE. The redesigned turbos were put in
cars
> > starting in 11-01. I have the P/Ns somewhere of the new turbos they put
in
> > my '01 S4. If you can find the P/Ns of your turbos then you can compare.
If
> > you cannot find them then please don't ask me to dig through "stuff"
that
> > should have been filed.
>
> Starting 11/01?  That would make it well into the 2002 model year...
> Do you mean 11/00?  In that case my car is right near the borderline.
> I don't suppose the part number of the turbos are readily visible
> under the hood without some major taking things apart?
>
> -Ti
> 2003 A4 1.8T multitronic
> 2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp
> 1984 5000S turbo
> 1980 4000 2.0 5-sp
> --
>     ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
>    ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
>   ///    ti at amb.org
>  //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
> ///
>
>
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