Excuse me Peter but don't you know the fact that you have concrete first hand experience on this topic disqualifies you from contributing to the thread? :-) Brandon > > Depending whether you bring in a 3b ( you can say its a 3b from a > 1991 200 20v... pretty easy when it has the 02 sensor and cat > attached ;-)) or the ABY ( thats an US S4/S6 engine) ...