quattro digest, Vol 1 #779 - 18 msgs
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Today's Topics:
1. speedo problem on type 89 (Augustin Barennes)
2. Starting problem with 200T A -88 (Sami)
3. CGT clutch R&R parts list (Craig D. Niederst)
4. Re:Air metering valve - MC-2 (Aleksander Mierzwa)
5. Ditch story was: Winter fun (Rave Racer)
6. Re:WOo HooOOOooo!!!! (Lawrence C Leung)
7. Fw: '77 Audi Fox Turbo (Rave Racer)
8. Re:Did you get the S2 in the States? (Ti Kan)
9. A nifty package from Audi (Ti Kan)
10. Re:Air metering valve - MC-2 (james accordino)
11. Testing 1,2,3... (Robert Myers)
12. Re:5ktq charging problem, Please Help! (james accordino)
13. Rough 1st gear noise from 6-speed S2/S4/S6 gearbox (Hollming, Kim)
14. Re:WOo HooOOOooo!!!! (Kris Hansen)
15. What happens when the water pump seizes on an I5 ...
(isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk)
16. Low RPM problems (Mitchell S. Haskins)
17. Pass on this one . . . ? (Mike Arman)
18. Looking for another good electrical crimper (Stott Hare)
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Message: 1
From: Augustin Barennes <augustin.barennes at wavecom.fr>
To: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: speedo problem on type 89
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:52:06 +0100
Hi,
When i bought my '89 90, i remarqued that the speedo/tachymeter had been
replaced.
The problem was remarked at 51000' km (a new tachy is ordered by the audi
dealer) but the tachymeter was changed later, at 62000' km on the clock
(and 'distance' was but back to zero)
I often hear about such problems on the list but what is the 'normal'
problem; 'speed'-meter out of order ? 'distance'-meter out of order ? both
out ? both intermittent ?
As i would like to know if my car may have more than 62000' km on the clock
when the new tachy was installed...
thanks
Aug
'89 90 10v FWD
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Message: 2
From: "Sami" <aquarius_7_2 at hotmail.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Starting problem with 200T A -88
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:07:24 -0000
Hi guys,
I have starting problems with Audi 200 Turbo Automatic 1988.
It has a MC engine with Hitachi MAC-12D box.
Sometimes when starting it doesn't give a spark at all. The diagnostics says
2111 and 2113, HALL and RPM senders. Also when RPMs are above 3000 the
check-engine light is on which could be a knocking sensor problem but there
is no diagnostics faults about knock sensor. I have changed the RPM sender
and checked the HALL sender with LED and it seems to work ok. Also the
wirings to ECU are ok I quess that the coil and ignition power stage are ok
because when the engine doesn't start there is no signal to ignition power
stage. The distributor shaft seems to have quite a big cap when turning it
by hand, I wonder if it might be the problem...the engine also "hits back"
sometimes when starting which could mean the ignition timing being too
"early" but I have done the basic timing adjustment for the distributor and
it should be ok.
What is the relationship between TDC sensor in flywheel and HALL sender?
Should they give the signals at the same time?
Is the hall sensor a inductive or capacitive unit, I mean if I measure the
Hall sensor, is there continuty between pins or not?
Thank you in advance
-Sami R from Finland
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Message: 3
From: "Craig D. Niederst" <niederst at telerama.com>
To: "Quattro List" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: CGT clutch R&R parts list
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:04:30 -0500
I further looked into my '86 CGT tranny/clutch problems today, and its looks
as if it is the clutch that is the problem. Although I have never attempted
to do so before, I am going to do the replacement myself. I have compiled a
list of items from various sources that seem to be logical to replace:
035 141 033 clutch plate
035 141 117Q pressure plate
088 141 165B release bearing
016 141 181 sleeve
046 105 313D needle bearing
855 399 151D rubber tranny mount
016 311 113B sealing washer
I have received quotes on the above items, and the best one has come in at
$185 (Sachs clutch plate and pressure plate), which seems reasonable (Blau
wants $189.95 for just the clutch plate, pressure plate and release
bearing!). Clutch master and slave cylinders appear to be functioning
normally. Did I miss anything? I have looked at the procedure for tranny
removal and clutch replacement, and it seems pretty straightforward. I am
going to have to get the car in the air for better access to the underside.
Ramps are out of the question because you need to pull the driveshafts to
pull the tranny. Putting the car up on jackstands seems the way to go, but
will it provide enough clearance? Also, where is the best place to locate
the jackstands? A part of the procedure mentions "lifting" the front of the
engine, which I guess is to angle the tranny downward to allow for easier
removal. I do not have the Audi tool to do this, so what else would work?
Are their any special tools required for the job (alignment tools, hex head
wrenches, etc)? Any BTDTs greatly appreciated.
Craig
'92 100S (90k)
'86 CGT (195k)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:42:11 +0100
To: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk, <quattro at audifans.com>
From: Aleksander Mierzwa <alexaudi at kki.net.pl>
Subject: Re: Air metering valve - MC-2
At 08:52 01-01-05, quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>Anyone any comments? Source of a good adjusting screw for less than
>$1200?
Local machine shop?
--
Aleksander Mierzwa
Warsaw, Poland
87 5KT
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Message: 5
From: "Rave Racer" <Ravewar at home.com>
To: "Nick Stuart" <thecolony at gagames.com>,
"audi quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Ditch story was: Winter fun
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:27:08 -0500
I have also been having some fun while the list was down. First,
big empty parking lots have never had so much appeal as they do now!
WEEEEEEE! Some crappy pics, but you can almost make out the rims through
the cloud of snow.
Second, For some reason whenever I lock the front diffs, my car
pulls to the right very strongly. It doesn't seem to do it when they aren't
locked. Any suggestions?
Third, Heres a little story....
I now I'm 23 and this seems a little imaturish, but shutup, I enjoy
sledding! So one day we're supposed to go sledding on the slope of a small
dam. Coincidently underneath a sign that says "Stay Off Dam Slope", which
is funny in itself. I have never been to this location, so I waited in the
general vicinity of the area until the others arrived. They arrive and I do
a U-turn to meet up with them and use up the entire space of the road, and
part of what I think is the shoulder. WRONG! It wasn't the shoulder, but a
rather deep ditch that the snow plows had filled with snow, then scraped off
the top so that it was even with the road, appearring to be the shoulder.
DOH! Quattro only works when your tires touch something! I find out the
hard way that the saying is true... Quattro doesn't keep you from getting
stuck in snow. It just helps you get stuck in deeper snow. Of course, I
have been blabbing on and on about how great Quattro is ever since I bought
the car last spring, so now everybody seems to think this is ironic and they
need photographic evidence so that I couldn't deny it later. Great pics, if
someone has a sight I could upload them to for everybody to see.
ANYWAY... two days later, the loser who suggested it was such a
great idea to take pictures of me in my not so quattro ditch, calls me up
after driving his car into.... get this!.... a ditch. So I go out and
somebody had chains, so I hooked her up to the sub frame underneath my car
and pulled his car out of the ditch he "Thelma and Louise"d his car into.
And this is the story of the little quattro that could. Thank you. Also
great pics.
RR
87 4K Sedan Quattro
89 Jetta GTX 1.8 16V (Frankenstein)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Stuart <thecolony at gagames.com>
To: audi quattro list <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:07 PM
Subject: winter fun
> Hey, the list is actually up again!! YA!
> Anyways I just wanted to share my first winter experiences with a Quattro
to
> drive. I can't believe how much fun and how well these cars handle in the
> winter time. With the last couple of storms we have had up here in Maine I
> have had just taking my car out on the roads at about 11:00pm and just
> driving in the snow. What an experience to be able to do that with no
worry
> of getting stuck!
> I have also had great pleasure recently in finding big empty parking lots
> and having some fun in them. One of my friends was amused when we were
doing
> some e-brake slides/power turns and cookies with a 4 wheel drive car. It
was
> also his first time riding in my car and was impressed with the power that
> it had (5000cs tq 1.8 w/g spring).
>
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Message: 6
To: frank at zk3.dec.com
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:20:45 -0500
Subject: Re: WOo HooOOOooo!!!!
From: Lawrence C Leung <l.leung at juno.com>
Wow, how are you getting any info? From Dan's messages, the regular list
server's down.
i.e. did you actually SEE Andrew drive the VeeDub? ; - )
LL - NY
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:17:51 -0500 Douglas Frank <frank at zk3.dec.com>
writes:
>
>Man, I was getting sooooooo lonely here! And I know for a cold
>hard fact that Andrew Duane actually went out and test drove... a
>Passat!!!
>
>--
>Douglas Frank Compaq Computer Corp.
>ZKO 110 Spit Brook Rd.
>603-884-0501 Nashua, NH USA 03062
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Message: 7
From: "Rave Racer" <Ravewar at home.com>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Fw: '77 Audi Fox Turbo
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:38:11 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rave Racer <Ravewar at home.com>
To: <edkellock at juno.com>; I.Mannix <mannix at privatei.com>
Cc: <JShadzi at aol.com>; <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: '77 Audi Fox Turbo
> Not gonna get into a tiff about Joker Quotients. Every block of
> life has it's share of idiots. I'm here looking for that Cheby list. My
> freind has been trying to tune his 88 Cavalier with 3.1 5spd Lumina
> transplant. I'm looking for info on engine upgrades and body mods. Even
a
> connection to that Beretta list, any little peice of info can help. TIA
> RR
>
> > It is OK, though. Honda, BMW, Porsche, Audi, there are "enthusiasts"
for
> > each. There are even enthusiast lists for Berettas. Wow, would have
> never
> > guessed, but true.
>
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Message: 8
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Subject: Re: Did you get the S2 in the States?
To: pantg at otenet.gr (Pantelis Giamarellos)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:10:55 -0800 (PST)
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Pantelis Giamarellos writes:
> Fellow listers in the States,
> Did you get the S2 in your country?
No, the S2 was not formally imported to the US.
-Ti
01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
84 5000S 2.1 turbo
80 4000 2.0
96 A4 2.8 quattro (sold but not forgotten)
--
/// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
/// AMB Research Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
/// ti at amb.org
////// http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/
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Message: 9
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Subject: A nifty package from Audi
To: quattro at audifans.com (Audi Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:55:06 -0800 (PST)
I just received a cool package from Audi. It came in a 11"x11"x2.5"
silver box, containing a "Welcome to the Audi family" parchment sheet,
a beautiful hardbound and boxed book "Sharing a singular vision" containing
60+ glossy pages outlining Audi technology, design, performance and
emotion, plus a fold-out chronology of Audi history 1899-2000. Nothing in
there I don't already know, but it's such a nicely put together package.
The book has a dark grey hard cover with the four rings embossed on the
it, and the box it goes in is silver, also with the four rings it.
An excellent coffee table piece!
Also included in the package is a silver envelope box with a congratulatory
letter on my purchase of the my S4 and a few pamphlets outlining the Audi
Advantage program, Roadside assistance program and membership cards and
decals, features of the Audi, etc.
I wonder if all new Audi owners now get this? Or is the S4 somehow a
more "elite" model? Back in '96 when I bought my A4q I certainly didn't
get anything like this... Any recent A4 1.8t owners here that got this too?
This definitely enhances that "feel good" factor of new Audi owners.
P.S. Quoted from page 33 of the book: "In the considerable mythology of
the three leading German luxury car makers you'll come upon familiar
stereotypes: The whale. The shark. And the dolphin."
Hmm!
-Ti
01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
84 5000S 2.1 turbo
80 4000 2.0
96 A4 2.8 quattro (sold but not forgotten)
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/// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
/// AMB Research Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
/// ti at amb.org
////// http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/
///
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:54:35 -0800 (PST)
From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Air metering valve - MC-2
To: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
Cc: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
--- isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk,
quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> One of the many outstanding jobs on Puff the Magic
> Wagon is the
> replacement of the fuel metering head. I've had the
> typical symptoms
> of upper O-ring failure for some time.
>
What are they?
> As always, there's a knock-on. The CO adjusting
> screw in the metering
> valve is so rounded out as to be useless.
> I have, however, a metering valve from an MB engine
> on the shelf.
> According to Audi's documentation, the MB valve is
> 034 133 471J. Hmm.
> I have 034 133 471M. The valve from the MC-2 is 034
> 133 471L. As far
> as I can see (I've measured the bowl/cone) the only
> difference is
> that the potentiometer on 471M has its three-pin
> connector parallel to
> the body and the one on 471L is normal to the body.
> 471M is mounted
> very close to the MB's inlet manifold, so it makes
> sense to turn it -
> 471L is mounted the other way round and there's
> plenty of room for
> a straight connector.
>
Short of opening it up and measuring the diameter of
every drilled hole, I think you're doing the prudent
thing. Test it's suitability on car (CO readings,
plug color)? If it seems to perform well then I guess
you've found your answer.
> So I'm taking the potentiometer off the 471L and
> putting it on the
> 471M - hoping this will give me a usable air
> metering valve.
>
You have identified what probably produced the suffix
change. They have changed suffix for much less than
that. The change from a hex-head bolt to a socket
head for an adjusting screw is enough to trigger this.
I believe the VAG parts interchange is much larger
than documented if you are will to transfer some
ancillary items.
> Anyone any comments? Source of a good adjusting
> screw for less than
> $1200?
>
Can you use the adjusting screw from a much more
common (cheap) metering head? A 4 cyl. maybe? It
would be worth it to salvage a head you might actually
need.
> I'd like to resolve the 471J vs. 471M issue, too.
> Audi doesn't document
> a change on the MB at all - but a lot of funny
> things were done to the
> MB engine half-way through production. Is this one
> of them? What
> exactly was the change - the volumetric
> characteristics of the engine
> didn't change?
>
It would be really cool to find out the product
updates as they occurred. Every ordered change,
whether at Audi or Bosch has documents describing
cause, proposed solutions, costs/benefits, etc. They
won't change gasket paper without a document trail.
It would certainly make our jobs easier.
> The list seems to be down at present. I hope it's
> not permanent.
>
Me, too. The ISP that I use went belly-up in early
Dec. and I thought something like that might have
happened to Dan's.
Jim Accordino
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:26:05 -0500
To: "Quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
From: Robert Myers <rmyers at oak.total-web.net>
Subject: Testing 1,2,3...
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:09:45 -0800 (PST)
From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 5ktq charging problem, Please Help!
To: Peter McConnel <peter at madriver.com>
Cc: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
--- Peter McConnel <peter at madriver.com> wrote:
> because i knew the alternator's bearings were about
> to go, i spent the $65
> to have it rebuilt and replaced it in the car
> yesterday, but the battery is
> still not getting charged unless i use my
> plug-in-the-wall charger. to
Are you sure the "rebuilt" alternator is actually
producing? Wouldn't be unheard of. Belt tension?
> occasional glow from the ind. light. so i replaced
> the blue wire from the
> alternator to the connection harness near the
> battery jumper box on the
> passenger side near the grill. still no go. the
> battery will definitely take
> a charge from my external charger.
>
> What could this be?? thanks in advance...
I find electrical problems to be very difficult to
diagnose without a multimeter and an electrical
schematic (Bentley). You need to find out if the
alternator is producing output voltage, if the battery
is receiving it, and if not where the problem is in
between. Without a meter, you can't really tell 1+2,
and without a schematic, it is very hard to track
#3.(In general)
My $.02
Jim Accordino
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Message: 13
From: "Hollming, Kim" <Kim.Hollming at compaq.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Rough 1st gear noise from 6-speed S2/S4/S6 gearbox
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:22:10 -0000
I wonder if there is something wrong with my -93 Audi S2 gearbox. All the
gears works fine, but the 1st gear keeps quite loud noise (like straight cut
gears), is it S/C gear? It's also sometimes after hard acceleration hard to
get the gear from 1st to 2nd. Car is driven only 60k and has been on good
hands all of these years.
Thanks!
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:50:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Kris Hansen <kris_j_hansen at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: WOo HooOOOooo!!!!
To: quattro list <quattro at audifans.com>
I am always there, there are WAY more A4 enthusiasts
there. Here, owning an A4 I sometimes feel like an
outcast. I do get sick of the "which shifter knobs do
you like best" or "what should my signature be" but
there are some really tech savvy guys there for the
hard to answer A4 questions.
Kris
--- joel nevin <joelnevin at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Worse than that, (sarcastic, sort of)
> I was really spending some time on the audiworld
> site
> and I know for a "cold hard fact" that some listers
> were there too!!!
> Joel
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Message: 15
To: <quattro at audifans.com>, <daveqoc at hotmail.com>
From: <isham-research.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk>
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:09:06+0000
Subject: What happens when the water pump seizes on an I5 ...
Reply-To: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
From: quk at isham-research.freeserve.co.uk
No copyright on this picture - use and distribute as you will to show
anyone thinking of changing a timing belt what can happen if you don't
change the water pump:
http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro/belt.jpg
(96KB)
And if you get a dealer to change it - check the parts listed on the
invoice for a water pump and idler roller.
--
Phil Payne
http://www.isham-research.freeserve.co.uk/quattro
Phone: 07785 302803 Fax: 07785 309674
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Message: 16
Reply-To: <mhaskins1 at home.com>
From: "Mitchell S. Haskins" <mhaskins1 at home.com>
To: "Quattro" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Low RPM problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:54:46 -0500
I'm having a problem with sluggishness in my 1988 90 Quattro below 2000 RPM.
After I reach 2000, I get good pickup. Doesn't matter which gear I'm in
either. Any BTDT's on this?
1988 Audi 90 Quattro
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:47:43
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
From: Mike Arman <armanmik at n-jcenter.com>
Subject: Pass on this one . . . ?
Local streetfront car dealer (detail shop) has a 92 100S with 81,000
local-owner miles on it. Automatic (4 speed automatic), V-6, 2WD, grey
outside, blue velour interior. Car is quite nice. Needs tires. Dealer had
no idea of the service history, was not aware of the early V-6 head gasket
problems, or of the used-one-year-only grenade style 4 speed automatic
transmission (was it this year?). Chassis number has ZZZ in it, all other
numbers are normal VIN style.
Asking $6,900, "might knock off a few hundred bucks".
I think I'll let this one go - pretty car, but nothing special, and WAY
overpriced IMO.
Also, the headlights are quite hazed, and I don't have a source for
eurolights for this car!
Best Regards,
Mike Arman
PS - Glad to see the list back! Sometimes you don't know how much you miss
something until it is gone.
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Message: 18
Reply-To: <stott at gwi.net>
From: "Stott Hare" <stott at gwi.net>
To: "Quattro List (E-mail)" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Looking for another good electrical crimper
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:34:36 -0600
I know there are several listers out there who do their own wiring and
repairs. I'm hoping one or more of you can help me fill a void in my
electrical tool kit. I have a very nice ratcheting crimper for insulated
terminals and general use. What I've been looking for is a crimper that
will crimp new Audi factory wire terminals correctly, the ones which fold
back into the wire and into the insulation for positive contact and strain
relief.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? Where I can find such a tool?
Thanks!
-S
Stott Hare
85 Callaway 4ktq 89 200q 89 100q
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