Timing belt align to rotor problem.
Denis
sparkplugvw at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 30 15:03:09 EST 2004
I never touched it.
It clamped there, i must take the grinder to remove it.
Ðenis
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Hoffman
To: Denis
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: Timing belt align to rotor problem.
Have you rotated the distributor housing at all?
Tony
--- Denis <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just changed the timing belt.
>
> From Bentley book, when all marks (flywheel 0 and
> cam sprocket to gasket cover) the rotor must
> indicate the first cylnder or in another words it
> indicate the opposite of the distr connector.
> Mine indicate the distr connector.
>
> The disrt is clamped and never been unclamped.
> I have couple of those distr. and all are the
> same.
> Everything on the car was there when i bought it.
> Crank pulley and cam sprocket have them key to
> prevent turning on the shaft. So that way nothing
> can twist.
>
> So what s wrong ?
>
> Ðenis
> My engine is not special!!! it must be something
> wrong somewhere!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SJ
> To: Denis
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:25 AM
> Subject: Re: timing marks made the engine
> knocking
>
>
>
> You have something screwey going on.
>
> With timing marks all properly aligned, take a
> look at the distributor.
> The rotor must be aligned with the notch in the
> edge of the distributor
> body. (On theBentley book that position is the
> cylinder 1, mine is 5 !!)
> Now position the distributor cap on the
> distributor body. The rotor should
> be lined up with the contact for #1 spark
> plug.(I unplugged all of them and plugged the cyl 1
> to the rotor first position and so on for the
> others.I tried to start and it was weird)
> The plug wire from this contact should go to #1
> plug.
> Who the hell knows, maybe you have the wrong cap
> or something. Or the cap
> has been mounted backwards or something.(My
> spare cap is identical)
>
> When you change the valve timing, you are also
> changing the distributor
> timing.(Sure)
> Moving the camshaft also moves the distributor
> shaft. The two are linked
> together by gears.(yes)
> The piston is at top dead center, but the plug
> wont fire because the
> distributor rotor has turned and the rotor aint
> pointing at the #1 contact
> anymore.(Yes, it ll fire couple degres before
> the TDC)
>
> If you are going to fart around with the valve
> timing, then you need to keep
> the spark timing correct by turning the
> distributor so the rotor lines up
> with the distributor body notch. To do this, you
> need to grind off that
> rivet on the distributor lock down clamp.
>
> How it possible the rotor got 180 turned if it
> still clamp there by Audi ?
>
> SJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> To: "SJ" <syljay at optonline.net>;
> <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: timing marks made the engine
> knocking
>
>
> Timing belt adjustment:
>
> I followed the Bentley procedure and from
> others guys here.
> Order of work:
> 1. Align crank timing marks in back of engine,
> at 0, same as front crank
> pulley.
> 2. check and align camshaft sprocket; mark to
> the upper edge of the head
> gasket
> 3. check and align distributor; !!!
>
>
> Mark aligned to the mark, the engine wont
> start.
> 2 teeth from the mark on the head, the engine
> is shaking. Almost as a
> dragster, too much advance.
> 3 teeth from the mark on the head, the engine
> is oscillating.(fuel problem
> to be solved)
>
> When i take the timing light to the first cyl
> , the cam sprocket mark
> indicate 180 degres to the head cover.
> The crank indicate about 15 degres back to the
> mark on the damper puller
> cover.
>
> The engine is oscillate from 1000 to 1200RPM.
> With this more agressive timing the fuel
> problems are more apparent. The
> oscilationsof the engine is more agressive....
>
> Must solved the timing first.
>
> I took the compression when engine was warming
> up, not cold.
> all 210psi.
> Ðenis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SJ
> To: Denis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: timing marks made the engine
> knocking
>
>
>
>
> Well, its getting complicated.
> Finally i started the car with all marks
> aligned.
> It does not start.
> It knocked for the first try last time,
> but now after couple engine
> spin
> it was ok. Donno what was the knock sound.
>
> I must backup 3 or 4 teeth before it runs.
>
> When all marks are aligned does the rotor
> of the ignition is at 1st
> cylinder ?
> **** Yes, with all marks aligned. the dist
> rotor points to the "NOTCH"
> on
> the dist housing. (The rotor indicate the
> distr connector, not the first
> cyl. at all)
>
> Maybe with the wrong timing the distr cap
> was 180 degres out of range
> ? (it never been unsrewed, the bolt is covered)
>
> Where is loacated the two longer tits on
> the distr cap ? i just saw
> it, after i posted.
> **** Cap only goes on one way.
>
> thanks again.
>
> Ðenis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SJ
> To: Denis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:49
> PM
> Subject: Re: timing marks made the
> engine knocking
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
> To: "SJ" <syljay at optonline.net>;
> <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:28
> PM
> Subject: timing marks made the engine
> knocking
>
>
> I just tried to put all mark on the
> pix.
> I cant get to the cam mark. It goes
> lower than the lower edge of
> the
> head
> gasket or higher than the edge of the
> gasket witch is exactly at the
> mark on
> the metal sheet in front of the engine.
>
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