Clutch Job : Input S won't go thru pilot b-any tricks?

[L DC]

Correction, QSW lister meant to slightly drill bushing
on rear crank shaft and not bearing. This car does not
have bronze/metal bushing but rather bearing as we all
know and as also he realized later.

LDC


--- L DC <ldc007usa at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Richard.
> 
> Other listers suggested the same thing. I will
> definitely try rotating the output flanges while in
> gear and see if that does the trick. 
> 
> Another lister on the QSW list even suggested to
> very
> carefully drill around the inner edge of the pilot
> bearing as to take away any possible "mushrooming."
> I
> hope not go there and shouldn't since the pilot
> bearing seem intact once installed, which I intend
> to
> do the same with the yet another new one I have to
> now
> install.
> 
> 
> -Regards,
> 
> -Louis
> 
> 
> 
> --- Richard J Lebens <rick-l at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Since you have so much help can you put it in gear
> > and try rotating the
> > input shaft with the output a little as you try to
> > mate it?
> > 
> > --- L DC <ldc007usa at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi everyone.
> > > 
> > > Sunday, I tried and tried to make the tranny's
> > input
> > > shaft in my '85 VW QSW go through the pilot
> > bearing
> > > but was unsuccessful. 
> > > 
> > > What's the trick?  Please advise.
> > > 
> > > I set the pilot bearing in the back to the crank
> > shaft
> > > as deep as the old one. Looked very nice and
> > straight.
> > > 
> > > I also aligned the clutch with its specific tool
> > and
> > > tightened pressure plate to torque specs and
> both
> > > holes in the clutch and pilot bearing looked
> quite
> > > aligned.
> > > 
> > > Tranny slid right in through the clutch serrated
> > hole
> > > nicely and then the tranny's bell housing
> stopped
> > > about 3/4 to an inch away from the engine block,
> > the
> > > approximate length of the pilot bearing.
> > > 
> > > I even had the tranny's holding bolt holes
> aligned
> > to
> > > their respective threaded holes on the engine
> > block
> > > using socket extensions.
> > > 
> > > I wiggled and wiggled the tranny to make the
> input
> > > shaft go through the pilot bearing to no avail.
> > > 
> > > My friend and I pulled the tranny backwards to
> > inspect
> > > things inside the clutch and pilot bearing
> looked
> > fine
> > > with the clutch hole still aligned with the
> > pilot's
> > > bearing.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A second friend comes by and suggested wiggling
> > the
> > > trany a bit more as we pushed
> forward----nothing,
> > it
> > > would not budge in.
> > > 
> > > Decided to pull tranny back out to take a second
> > look
> > > inside clutch.
> > > 
> > > This time, pilot bearing is destroyed. Lower
> part
> > of
> > > the ring, about 6 o'clock , is slightly torn
> > outward
> > > and a couple of its longitudinal bearings out of
> > place
> > > inside the pilot bearing.
> > > 
> > > Pilot bearing is the right size and fit nicely
> > inside
> > > the end of the input shaft, as tested prior to
> > > installing.
> > > 
> > > This afternoon/evening, I will rent the pilot
> > bearing
> > > from the local FLAPS and R&R the pilot bearing
> as
> > I
> > > did before.
> > > 
> > > A fourth friend suggested this morning to tilt
> the
> > > tranny slightly upwards by lowering its back a
> bit
> > to
> > > perhaps make the input shaft find it way in the
> > pilot
> > > bearing and then immediately straighten it out
> to
> > > drive it home.
> > > 
> > > I though I kind of did that but not sure at this
> > point
> > > since I tried quite a few angles.
> > > 
> > > It does not help the fact that I’m doing this
> job
> > > while car in on 2 jack stands and ramps, secured
> > of
> > > course by cement blocks around chasis.
> > > 
> > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
> > > 
> > > -Regards,
> > > 
> > > Louis
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
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