[s-cars] RE: Stebro

[matt ludwig]

i should clarify here real quick-

i did not mean to question Taka's statement on the power potentials at 
all. fully agree the 4.6L is more than capable of some SERIOUS power 
w/o any internals being beefed up- this is also actually one of my 
points to why i question the latter half of the statement. w/ that, yes 
i was referring to the "later" versions of the 'stang. i agree, they 
are a simple platform and there is something to be said for that 
simplistic, raw platform and trying to obtain a real monster from that. 
i can't though even begin to really consider that this platform can out 
"handle", in any condition, the very nature of the beast we all have 
learned to love that is audi and the quattro system.

serious, serious money has to be anted up ( as alex and teddy both 
point out) to be abel to compensate for a far less than acceptable 
chassis set up and be able to compete w/ a "stock" Urs. that is really 
my point here. i mean, i could get anything w/ 4 wheels under the sun 
and with enough $ and time, make it handle as good or better than 
anything else out there. it is just here that the issue becomes moot. 
it is not the same car anymore and so the original statement of "and 
the car still handles much better than the Audi" becomes inaccurate or 
skewed. my question still stands though, what about your '87 mustang in 
stock form? will it still drive circles around your stock S4, teddy?

again, not trying to start a flame war here and i actually love to 
feeling of dropping the hammer on a big RWD american V8 but i was 
simply questioning Taks's quest for another new car based on those 
assumptions.

sincerely,

matt ludwig.



On May 14, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Theodore Chen wrote:

>
> --- matt ludwig <matt.ludwig2 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> On May 14, 2004, at 2:15 PM, TM wrote:
>>
>>> '01 SVT Cobra is looking good right now- I can easily get 350whp
>>> with
>>> bolt-ons and the car still handles much better than the Audi.
>
> if you're willing to spend about $5k on a supercharger and some
> ancillaries, you can easily make over 400 rwhp.  the DOHC 4.6 has
> a strong bottom end.
>
>> Are you serious? I have been in many "ferds" and w/ that- plenty of
>> mustangs. they do not even come close to the handling of an Audi in my
>> opinion. even a stock, UrS is in much better position to out perform
>> any "stock" mustang- add any sort of weather in with that and well. . 
>> .
>> .
>>
>> i have seen far to many rear-wheel drive "Amurican" cars on the side 
>> of
>> the road when the weather gets even mild to seriously consider this.
>> Taka, where are you coming from on this position? Is there some
>> performance data or reviews that have missed me in the last 5 years or
>> something?
>
> which mustang are you talking about?  i'll assume you mean the
> fairmont-derived mustangs from '79-'04, and not the older ones.
> the platform isn't very sophisticated, although ford has refined it
> over the years.
>
> however, the mustang is lighter and doesn't have the engine hanging out
> in front of the front axle.  the stock suspension is mediocre, but
> suspension modifications are fairly cheap and easy to do.  you can
> also get a lot more tire under a mustang than an audi.  275/40/17 is
> par for the course, and i've seen people with 335s in the back.  you
> can make up for a lot of suspension sins by adding more tire.  the
> audi doesn't have room for anything bigger than a 255, and even that's 
> a
> stretch.
>
> i am not sure that the mustang's suspension geometry is significantly
> worse than a stock UrS.  the triangulated antiroll bar as a trailing
> arm is a real hose.  my admittedly modified '87 mustang will go around
> corners a lot faster than my '92 S4, with much less understeer and body
> roll.
>
> for bad weather driving, i'll agree - the audi excels in that area.
> the audi definitely has better traction, and it has more power than the
> mustang (which has a completely stock engine with 170k miles).  
> however,
> given a choice between the mustang and the audi at a track like 
> thunderhill
> or sears point, i'll take the mustang if the weather's good.
>
> -teddy
>
>
>
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