[s-cars] Re: KKK Hybrid Turbo

Mon Oct 11 23:10:59 EDT 2004

FWIW, I may have one for sale shortly.... if anyone is interested in a used
one that's had @ 7,000 to 10K miles, if I remember correctly put on it.  It
came off my RS2'd black Avant.

mike

>-----Original Message-----
>From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com 
>[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of JR
>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:47 PM
>To: Lewis, Gary M
>Cc: Scar
>Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: KKK Hybrid Turbo
>
>
>Anyone have any updates about the Innovative RS2++?  Are they going to 
>do it and if so how much?
>
>Thanks,
>
>JR
>
>
>
>Lewis, Gary M wrote:
>
>>The old Innovative RS2++ K26 based turbo is probably dead as 
>a product 
>>line.  However:
>>
>>Innovative has all the parts (from yours truly, a K24 and a 
>K26) and is 
>>considering an RS2++ using a K24 compressor cover, and a next larger 
>>wheel vs. what was used in the original RS2++ K26 compressor cover. 
>>Problem with the K26 compressor cover is the cover breaks 
>over 1/2 the 
>>time when machining, creating real problems for Innovative.  The K24 
>>compressor cover is much more machine able, can actually take 
>a bigger 
>>wheel, and the opening won't need to be cut off and re-welded 
>on.  The 
>>K24 a/r isn't as large as the K26, but looking at Dawson's 
>RS2 dyno vs. 
>>Cody's Innovative RS2++ (with K26 a/r), bigger a/r doesn't seem to be 
>>critical on the KKK 24/26 product line and our beloved 2.2 liter.
>>
>>I expect the NEW RS2++ will be in the same price range ($950), but 
>>probably cheaper.  Assuming Innovative does this (they CAN do 
>it, they 
>>aren't sure if they WANT to), expect RS2 type turbo's to be 
>flowing at 
>>less than RS2 prices in October.  I will let everyone know if they 
>>choose to, and will post results from my car as they happen.  
>My guess 
>>is to keep the prices down they (me?) will arrange turbo's in lots 
>>(group buys) of probably ~10.
>>
>>My goal is to provide all the RS2 wannabe's with a fast (turnaround 
>>wise), inexpensive, total bolt-on, and possibly better 
>solution to the 
>>factory RS2 turbo.  I have no financial affiliation with Innovative. 
>>This is a hobby.
>>
>>Gary Lewis
>>
>>1995.5 S6 Avant, Green/Ecru, RS2 MAF, RS2 Exhaust Manifold, RS2 
>>Injectors, Custom Turbo (K26 Turbine, Factory K26 Cold side 
>(Audi Works 
>>'999' P/N, RS2 Comp) with 50mm intake and custom Innovative Turbo 
>>compressor wheel), TurboXS Type 25 Bypass Valve, Bilsteins, Eibachs, 
>>Big Reds, Spec II Clutch.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: chris chambers [mailto:fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:40 AM
>>To: JR; Scar
>>Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: KKK Hybrid Turbo
>>
>>
>>JR,
>>
>>I posted that update, they hadn't determined what the cost might be 
>>raised to but at that time were thinking $1050 - 1100.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>--- JR <urs4 at magnaspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>I thought I remembered an email back a couple of months that said 
>>>Innovative has suspended making your "Innovative KKK RS2++" and was 
>>>re-evaluating the cost. I wonder what is costing these days. Anyone 
>>>know?
>>>
>>>JR
>>>
>>>
>>>Lewis, Gary M wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Some additional comments from me:
>>>>
>>>>Cody Payne's Innovative RS2++ turbo vs. Dave Dawson's RS2 stock
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>turbo
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Dyno.
>>>>
>>>>I just looked at the two dyno runs.  Other than the ~20 ft lbs tq
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>more
>>>    
>>>
>>>>the RS2 put out, the graphs are nearly identical, lower and upper.
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>I
>>>    
>>>
>>>>doubt one could tell the difference between the cars when driving,
>>>>perhaps the RS2 is snappier.  Interesting.
>>>>
>>>>This is actually telling in that when it comes to turbos on an RS2
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>setup
>>>    
>>>
>>>>car, cheaper is better.  In other words, get a #6 and a 50 trim (or
>>>>super 50??), or an Innovative KKK RS2++ BEFORE you get a stock RS2 
>>>>because they are cheaper, and perform about the same.  Speculative 
>>>>comments, but I'm starting to lean this way.  I think a K24
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>compressor
>>>    
>>>
>>>>housing on my turbo should lower boost thresholds, but I need to put
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>it
>>>    
>>>
>>>>in the car to really be sure...
>>>>
>>>>Ciao,
>>>>
>>>>Gary Lewis
>>>>
>>>>1995.5 S6 Avant, Green/Ecru, RS2 MAF, RS2 Exhaust Manifold, RS2
>>>>Injectors, Custom Turbo (K26 Turbine, Factory K26 Cold side (Audi
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>Works
>>>    
>>>
>>>>'999' P/N) with 50mm intake and custom Innovative Turbo compressor
>>>>wheel), TurboXS Type 25 Bypass Valve, Bilsteins, Eibachs, Big Reds,
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>Spec
>>>    
>>>
>>>>II Clutch.
>>>>
>>>>
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