[s-cars] WAS gas prices, now racist subaru's
Steve Marinello
smarinello at entouch.net
Tue Sep 6 22:33:14 EDT 2005
At least you got a Jetta. At Advantage Audi in Houston, they gave me a
Corolla....
I told them that they should talk to the Sales Department before they loaned
me another Corolla.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Mair" <waves at comcast.net>
To: "LL - NY" <larrycleung at gmail.com>
Cc: <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] WAS gas prices, now racist subaru's
> Hey, i was NEVER offered a loaner car when the Allroad went in for routine
> service and the occ. wierd stuff. Just last year i DEMANDED a loaner every
> time, because after all the courtesy call lady asked if it was ever
> offered, so i assumed i was entitled. It's funny how much quicker your car
> gets done at the dealer when you are driving around one of their new
> jettas ;-)
>
> Rolf
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LL - NY
> To: R. Mair
> Cc: Pasqualoni, James E ; Taka Mizutani ; S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] WAS gas prices, now racist subaru's
>
>
> Yeah, I wonder if Audi would do that:
>
> Be compassionate - Bwaahahahahaah
> Fix it quickly - U vant it ven?
> Offered a Loaner car? - Vat, ve haf Loaner Karrs? Bwahahahaha
>
> As for durabilty, in WRC, haven't been too many Subie engine failures.
> Running into things, well that's another story.
>
> Again, not saying I don't like (old) Audi. One of the reasons I jumped on
> my S6 was that
> I couldn't picture myself doing a modded A4 1.8T or S4TT (although the
> avant would've been QUITE helpful) due to the comparatively lesser build
> quality (not by much, but it's there). Yes, the Audi's are more tanklike
> than Subies (most noticable in the interior materials and paint finish)
> but they've lost a little of that something that made them special when
> even they, Ja!, had to build to a price in order to stay competitive. In
> the meantime, lets accept the cars for what they are, expensive AWD cars
> with potential and class, lesser priced cars with potential and decent
> build.
>
> LL - NY
>
>
>
> On 9/6/05, R. Mair <waves at comcast.net> wrote:
> Happened once to my friends 2003, somewhere around 30k miles I believe.
> The dealer was however very compassionate about the problem, fixed it up
> pretty quick and offered a loaner car.
>
> Rolf
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pasqualoni, James E
> To: 'R. Mair' ; Taka Mizutani
> Cc: S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] WAS gas prices, now racist subaru's
>
>
> My friend's 98 Outback 2.5l has had the heads rebuilt twice due to head
> gasket failure. Twice. With only 75k on the odo. So how do the 2.0
> (WRX)
> and 2.5 (Sti) turbo motors differ from the NA ones? Lower compression,
> etc???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of R. Mair
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:59 PM
> To: Taka Mizutani
> Cc: S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] WAS gas prices, now racist subaru's
>
> OK, i guess i need to make this clear enough to understand. First, I've
> spent weeks at Bosch headquarters, and countless hours in schools
> across the
> country learning and dealing with engine management systems for VW and
> Audi
> cars. I believe I can speak intelligently on this subject.
> Audi has had Bosch supply most electrical parts for decades. This
> includes
> alternators, starters, volt regs. etc, as well as the bulk of the
> engine
> management systems. Oh... and filters etc... Bosch in general has built
> some
> amazing systems. The old CIS units of the late 80's, early 90's were
> so
> outdated, yet passed California's strict emissions test. Bosch and
> Germans
> cars were one and the same it seemed. Bosch clearly has had some
> quality
> control issues here of late. As a car manufacturer, what do you do? do
> you
> suddenly ditch a major supplier in search of another one that has never
> worked with your cars? It would take YEARS for another company to pick
> up
> where Bosch left off. Would that be the best way to go or do you assume
> Bosch will fix the problems sooner than later? Valeo had problems with
> heater cores in mid-80's VW's. A recall was offered. In general, their
> quality is somewhat better today.
>
> so what you are saying Taka is that Audi should look into a crystal
> ball and
> see that in 50k miles, they are going to have MAF failures, or perhaps
> coolant sensor failures, or even notice that ICU's were going to fail
> at
> some point? None of these particular parts are placed wrong in the
> engine
> compt! I'm not thrilled with Audi overall myself, I think i've made
> that
> clear in previous posts. but you are not correct in some of your
> assumptions. Turbo placement is not the major factor for the failings
> in
> Audi's. The initial rec. by Audi to extend oil changes and use
> conventional
> motor oil was not a smart move. Yes, Dumb Dumb Audi! Given synth oil
> and 5k
> miles, you won't see a tenth of the failures. In my garage, i've seen
> allot
> more 1.8t failures than 2.7, as 2.7's came from the factory with synth
> oil
> installed. but they still suggested 10k oil changes. Still not good.
>
> You don't know 2.7's very well Taka. For the most part, they are pretty
> darn
> tough, as far as the internals go. There was a 01 S4 speedvision cup
> car at
> the Duryea hillclimb a few weeks ago, actually took fourth fastest
> overall.
> It had stand alone engine management, K04 turbos and about 2500 race
> miles
> on the stock, un touched bottom end. I'll bet it won't be rebuilt for
> some
> time after that. What i was ref. to a time bomb being, is what mods do
> to a
> stock engine. I'll take ANY audi turbo thats huffed to the hilt on a
> stock
> engine before i'd do the same on a Japanese engine.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Taka Mizutani
> To: R. Mair
> Cc: calvinlc at earthlink.net ; S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] WAS gas prices, now racist subaru's
>
>
> Rolf-
> You're excusing a ton of faults, blaming the suppliers?!? The OEM is
> responsible for ensuring that the quality of the components that
> suppliers
> sell them are up to par, otherwise it reflects poorly on the OEM. Who
> do you
> think people blame when there is a problem with their cars? Do they
> blame
> Valeo, saying "man, Valeo makes crappy electrical components." No. They
> blame Audi.
>
> The turbos on the 2.7T go rather regularly- it's not the extended
> oil
> change intervals that kill them- it's the design of the engine. That
> same
> little K03 turbo lives much longer in the 1.8T engine. Putting the
> turbos
> where they're located in the 2.7T engine compartment is what shortens
> their
> life- not enough cooling, IMO.
>
> What about the other stuff:
>
> instrument cluster issues- VW A2, A3, A4; Audi type 44, C4, C5, B5,
> B6, D2
> control arm issues- B5, B6, C5
> transmission issues- D2
> oil leak issues- D2
> ignition coils and ignition components- C4, B5
> diff seals- ongoing since type 44
> turbo failure- B5, B6, C5
> MMI issues- D3
> miscellaneous electrical problems- ongoing since type 44 days or
> earlier,
> hasn't gotten better
>
> Time bomb on the Subaru? No more so than the C5 2.7T- you chip the
> 2.7T,
> it's just a matter of when, rather than if, the turbos fail. RS4 turbos
> fail
> much less frequently- larger oil passages, much thicker impeller shaft.
> Coming from a auto mechanic, I'm pretty shocked that you're willing to
> state
> that the Audis are so much better than other cars out there.
>
> I happen to like Audis, that's why I've owned them- no way would I
> put up
> with that stuff if I didn't. But your statements are just outrageous.
> Lexus
> simply doesn't have these issues, as a shining example of a very
> complex car
> with tons of "stuff" in it that doesn't break very often. They also
> don't
> blame their suppliers for problems.
>
> Taka
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