[s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?

[Mark Pollan]

I appear to have a dilemma.  Below are pros and cons as I see 'em.

 

ECS Pros:  Saves expensive rubber, less expensive (@ $250), saves expensive
rubber, retains stock bonded rubber upper strut mount, saves expensive
rubber.

ECS Cons:  No caster adjustment, "modification" needed to fender lip
consisting of cutting and/or bending, dis-assembly of suspension to install,
ready made version of Igor mod (so quite expensive after all)

 

2B Pros:  Saves expensive rubber, caster adjustment, saves expensive rubber,
does not require disassembly of suspension to install (is this really
true?), saves expensive rubber.

2B Cons:  Expensive (@ $600), noisy (is a stereo upgrade required?)

 

Looking at or above $600 for a set of tires mounted and balanced every 15K
or so miles, even the 2B appears to be a "bargain".  Any pros/cons I may
have missed?

 

 

Regards,

 

Mark

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gabriel Caldwell [mailto:gabriel at ts.bc.ca] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:29 PM
To: LL - NY
Cc: Mark Pollan; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?

 

The strut insert mount does not have a bonded rubber piece like stock.

 

Gabriel Caldwell

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From: LL - NY [mailto:larrycleung at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:19 PM
To: Gabriel Caldwell
Cc: Mark Pollan; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?

 

I'm confused, what does Solid mean. It's three pieces. The mount to the

tower, the sliding plate and the actual strut mount. The plate can be moved

in two planes by rotation, so the sliders can be oriented to slide both
laterally,

longitudinally and in between. I've been considering doing the Igor mod to
them

to gain a bit more caster as other lister's have done. Just need time, lots
of it. 

 

LL - NY

 

On 9/23/05, Gabriel Caldwell <gabriel at ts.bc.ca> wrote: 

IIRC the mounts are also solid, so be warned if you go this route.

 

Gabriel Caldwell 

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From: LL - NY [mailto: larrycleung at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:54 AM 
To: Gabriel Caldwell
Cc: Mark Pollan; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?

 

2Bennet plates can also give you some postive caster if you don't

end up using all of the travel on camber. Positive caster gives you 

better on center feel and centering and less positive camber gain

while turning, IOW, an advantage in moderation. 

 

Scargo

 

On 9/23/05, Gabriel Caldwell < <mailto:gabriel at ts.bc.ca>  gabriel at ts.bc.ca>
wrote: 

ECS camber plates.  Some people can get away with slotting some can't.
My alignment came to within factory specs with slotted mounts. 

Gabriel Caldwell 


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pollan [mailto:mark.pollan at mci.com]
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:33 AM 
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: [s-cars] Eibach/Bilstein and Camber - What's *the* Solution?

All Suspension Heads:



Patient is a 95.5 S6 with Eibach/Bilstein set up for over 2 years now.
In 
about 12K miles of driving the inside edges of the tires was showing
metal.
I am currently at a - 1.3 camber on the fronts.  I have further slotted
the
upper strut mounts and maybe have 2 or 3mm more before the mount hits 
the
metal lip.  Russ Sutherlin was most gracious and provided me with is
determination that the Igor offset of 4mm would change my camber by 
0.267
degrees.  That however would negate the additional camber I would gain 
by
further slotting the upper strut mount.  My last set of tires cost @
$600
with mounting and balancing.



Short of going back to stock suspension (ain't happening), what's a guy 
to
do to gain around 0.8 degrees of camber?  After market camber plates are
most certainly a consideration if'n the will get me where I want to be.



Regards,



Mark

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