[s-cars] Saw my first A5

Wed Jul 9 07:43:01 PDT 2008

I'd do the obnoxious +1 thing, but really, +1.

:-)

The E90 BMW is a very nice driving car, even though I think it's ugly.

Actually, there are issues with people running the 335 engine- some people
had engine failures with the first cars out to market (I guess that's one of
those typical 1st year German car issues). I wouldn't put a ton of boost
through an open deck engine, though- it wasn't designed for that. I'd think
you'd actually want to start with a 335d block to run high boost.

Taka

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nothing against the 2.7T, it's a great motor at altitude, but trying to get
> it to work in a B7/B8 body while still keeping all the other systems happy
> is an exercise in frustration.  A 335xi makes a lot more sense in that price
> range.
>
> Having driven B5-B7 Audi's & E46-E92 BMW's, I have to say that BMW has it
> nailed on the turbo thing now.  That turbo 3.0L 6 feels like a small V8 with
> its low end grunt & I'd say give it a year or 2 for the aftermarket to
> really kick off.  Drove a friend's E36 with a decent sized hairdryer on it.
> He beats the ever loving piss out of the car & hasn't had any motor issues
> to date (about 20k), so I can only imagine what the 335 motor will be like
> once people really start leaning on them.
>
> And a K04'd S4 is pretty much daily driver bliss so long as you don't try
> to surpass 500HP.  After that, you start breaking lots of stuff.  IMO, it's
> an engine in search of a better drivetrain.
>
> Where's that link to the 2.7T Exige?  :)
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:15 AM, <calvinlc at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't know, I supposedly have the worst possible setup on my '01 S4 for
>> cooking turbos - pre 2001.5 swapover design, aggressive ABT chip, and
>> running at altitude and I thrash the hell out of it and have had no issues
>> whatsoever.  Worst case scenario is I torch the turbos and have to
>> upgrade.....what a shame :)  I have never heard of anyone having problems
>> after switching to K04s.
>>
>> I guess my point on the 3.2 vs. 2.7t is simple.  If you are leaving the
>> 2.7t
>> stock and you live down in the thick air, then yes, it makes no sense.
>> However, if you live up in the thin air, are doing an engine swap where
>> K04s
>> are a no brainer, and you want to push 400+ HP, the 3.2 ain't gonna cut
>> it.
>> I have run down way too many Z-28's, NA Porsche Carreras, S-2000s, etc. in
>> my simply modded '01 S4 with the stock K03's to ever go with a normally
>> aspirated car in Denver that has less than 400 cubic inches - which is
>> getting price prohibitive on gas anyway.
>>
>> Oh, and somebody mentioned the A4 handling vs. the S4 handling.  I guess I
>> have no handling complaints from my '01 S4 with the H&R Coilovers.
>>
>> --Calvin
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Taka Mizutani
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:12 PM
>> To: djdawson2 at aol.com
>> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Saw my first A5
>>
>>
>> 2.7T engines with K03s seem to cook turbos a lot. My question was whether
>> a
>> swap from K03 to K04 fixes the problem permanently or if it is an inherent
>> design flaw.
>>
>> Until these tiny turbos, I've never really had any issues with turbo
>> quattros.
>>
>> I don't really see the point of a 2.7T swap in an A5- the 3.2 is the same
>> power output without turbos. If you're going to do a big turbo swap, I'd
>> actually wait until the FI version comes out and do something with the FI
>> engine rather than a complete engine swap.
>>
>> Anyway, good luck trying to get a 2.7T to talk to the rest of the systems
>> in
>> an A5.
>>
>> Taka
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM, <djdawson2 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, I like Audis that have turbos... so an RS4 engine swap doesn't
>> appeal
>> > much to me.
>> >
>> > I have an A4 1.8t with APR's Stage 3 kit.  It is a lot of fun, and does
>> > make some very decent power.  I recently picked up an '01 S4.  Since
>> we're
>> > talking about the same car with 2 different engines, I can say that the
>> 2.7t
>> > is very appealing, as it is smooth as silk, where the 1.8t is sort of
>> > buzzy/noisey.  Considering that the A/S5 weighs in at nearly 4000lbs, I
>> > don't see a 2.0t as a really good transplant option.  It'll be harder to
>> > make it scoot than the UrS is.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure what you mean by the K04 turbo issues... maybe I'm
>> uninformed.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>> > To: djdawson2 at aol.com
>> > Cc: larrycleung at gmail.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
>> > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 2:23 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Saw my first A5
>> >
>> > I'd rather look at RS4 engine swap or the opposite direction and put a
>> 2.0T
>> > modified in there.
>> >
>> > I don't really see why anyone would want a 2.7T swap. Are the turbo
>> issues
>> > solved with going to K04 turbos?
>> >
>> > Taka
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, <djdawson2 at aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, I guess I'll have to stand by my original comments...
>> >>
>> >> The A or S5 6 speed will make a perfect project car for a 2.7tt
>> transplant
>> >> in 6 or 7 years when they only bring $15k in the market.
>> >>
>> >> I'll wait? ;-)
>> >>
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