[s-cars] Dish and dat

Sat Nov 22 05:48:52 PST 2008

That's one hell of a dig, Scott.

I don't share your opinion of the R8, pure and simple. I also don't share
your opinion of the bloodline of the R8- it's a Gallardo and shares nothing
with other Audi's other than the engine. By that token, you can call a
Spyker C8 an Audi as well.

As I said twice already, *I'm not talking about how the car drives, just how
it looks*.

I always have the question of why didn't you buy a Gallardo in my mind any
time I see an R8.

I also never equated a Corvette with the R8- at the track it's close, but
not at the same level. In terms of refinement, far below.

Just to piss off the "I only like German cars and everything else is crap"
crowd, I'll say this- Porsche 911s are ugly too. I just love how they drive
and their provenance, so I'd still buy one, regardless of how it looks.

Thanks for your $0.02.

Taka

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:09 PM, <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:

>  In my mind, supercars just are, always have been, always will.  No
> question in my mind, the R8 falls into that category.  In my ride in one
> (not drive, the owner was nuts enough), it became obvious that this was a
> german ferrari.  Without as many quirks you grow to love with the reds.
> I've had the pleasure of driving most of the one's on my list, just because
> I could and sought out those that would share.  The Viper falls into that
> category, I don't put the vette there... Yet.  The Urq does, as does the
> twin turbo Lotus Esprit I got to hammer before Jerritts took it home a few
> years ago.  Some just are in spite of my chagrin:  Diablo comes to mind
> immediately.  I will say the last time I saw as many stares as the R8 I took
> a ride in, was when I was driving a F-red 88 Testarossa.  I think the R8
> will stand the test of time just as well.  That said, I can't imagine anyone
> not seeing the beauty and the history of Audi supercars only 25 years
> apart.  Standing on a bluff looking down on 33 urq's with Mike P's R8 dead
> center, and Treadway's SQ on one flank, Bufkins A2 on the other, everyone
> there knew we were looking at true appreciation of Audi's evolution of
> Supercars.
>
> "Ugly?" never even called a Diablo that, Taka - there is no such thing in
> supercars.  The good thing about fine wine is which bouquet tickles your
> fancy.  That doesn't change the company at the table, it may direct you to
> another...  The R8 does things to the soul, as much as any ferrari.  And it
> doesn't feel like the driver has to compromise to it, like most Ferraris
> have been known to demand.  Speed is second to the carcophony of the very
> sounds of the machine, inside and out.  Mike sells the experience short,
> something I would expect of 'that guy'.
>
> Great to finally see his confession, a secret many friends here have held
> on his behalf.  As with other friends that own and drive supercars, I enjoy
> the confessions of the drivers more than my own bumbling shock and awe of
> imprinting each machine experience.  Daily drive one, the pros and the cons
> are evaluated by well spoken men, better than any test rag review could
> possibly convey (a true bow to Paulie here, and David E Davis 'there' for
> some of the best though).  Mike P was no exception back in that banquet room
> at urq25.  I rarely share those confessions from these fine gentleman, but
> come away appreciating the moment of sharing the energy that surrounds the
> stories of these pilots.  The more they pilot, the more the intense the
> stories.  My one on one conversations with Blomqvist and David E Davis come
> to mind immediately.
>
> As I contemplate your comments below Taka, I realize that maybe my mindset
> is less intense on which fine wine is chosen by a well suited gentleman.
> Your very ascription reminds me of the old "justy" Christmas party 'favors'
> I used to give each guest.  I would call each couple, and ask what they
> drank.  I'd go to Sam's here in Chicago, and purchase the finest my budget
> would allow of the liqour they drank.  Appreciation for what it meant
> couldn't be put in words, some just know, a few didn't, quite ok with me.
> And, there was the guy that took the fine Dahlwinny Single Malt, and
> carelessly poured a sprite over the top.  It's ok, most knew without a
> word.  As a gentleman I know Mike to be, your ascription to his choice of
> fine wine, makes me wonder what your drinkin.  And what you might miss
> because you possibly forgot your manners.
>
> Food for thought
>
> Scott J
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> To: M Pederson <mlped at qwest.net>
> Cc: pkrasusky at ups.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 3:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 61, Issue 43
>
>  Mike-
>
> I know all about uncomfortable levels of attention- I have a Millenium
>
> Yellow Corvette. :-)
>
>
> BTW, regardless of how they drive, in terms of looks, in that price range,
>
> I'd pick these over the R8:
>
>
> Maserati Gran Turismo
>
> Aston Martin DB9 (used)
>
> Aston Martin V8 Vantage
>
> Lamborghini Gallardo (used)
>
> Ferrari 575M (used)
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Sorry Mike, no offense intended, but to my eyes, the R8 is ugly. No matter
>
> > how well it may drive, I think it's ugly and won't get one for that reason
>
> > alone.
>
> >
>
> > I like the Gallardo's styling.
>
> >
>
> > I don't really like Vipers- they're cartoonishly styled and are too hard to
>
> > live with- they get way too hot at the track and are awfully cramped for a
>
> > big car.
>
> >
>
> > Taka
>
> >
>
> > <http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list>
>
>
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