[s-cars] guilty, not guilty?

[Ian Duff]

Methinks the issue is not whether or not the blindingly cool Audi came to a complete stop or not, but instead revolves around who was driving it, and is guilty of executing a world-famous rolling non-stop? Filming a car from an elevated rear position makes it virtually impossible to identify the driver beyond a reasonable doubt. Filming from in front makes a far stronger case, but this video does not even show the driver's face. Male? Female? Young? Old? No way to tell.

Ticket the owner or the driver, particularly if the driver cannot be identified? Shouldn't be too hard to defend that. "Your Honor, who is driving in the video? Who is responsible for that obvious infraction? Yes, I'm the registered owner of that car, but I was not driving it. Who was? It could have been my wife, or one of a couple of friends, I can't remember. It seems to me it's the responsibility of the law enforcement office who brought these charges to identify the driver."

-Perry Mason.

On 22 Jul, 2010, at 16:34, qshipq at aol.com wrote:

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> The right turn camera's use either radar or sensors to detect speed of the right turn ('on red')...  See the sensor type here http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=306391
> The amount of 'roll' can be adjusted from a complete stop to double digit MPH.  The law states complete stop.  Your video defines a rolling stop IMestimation.  You can ck the dailyherald on which suburbs are doing what with the right turn on red issues.  I suspect until banned, even if you took that to court, that video reviewed by a judge would clearly indicate a complete stop was not made.
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> My daughter got caught rolling 2 stops in Chicagoland with these cameras.  200cash disappears from the wallet, with nothing but a crappy video...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: bill mahoney <airbil at gmail.com>; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:06 am
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> Bill,
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> I can't see the light to tell where it's at, assuming they have another way of 
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> Otherwise I guess it depends on what "the man's" definition of stop is.
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> Personally I think Serge was behind the wheel.
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> Can they really hold you responsible because you are the owner if they can't 
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> I despise traffic cams .... glad they aren't here in kazoo land.
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> From: bill mahoney <airbil at gmail.com>
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> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
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> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 11:03:33 AM
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> Subject: [s-cars] guilty, not guilty?
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> Moral issues aside, here's a the "mans" video of me in the D2 alleged to
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> have run a red to the tune of a hondo US fiat bucks.
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> Very bizzare feeling to think back to a crime committed two weeks back when
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> I can't remember 10 minutes ago.
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> I'll play it out and claim I stopped, but they can't even say who was
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> Whatcha all say?
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> http://flic.kr/p/8kDLsT
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> Bill~glad they don't ask for payment in gold~M
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