[s-cars] Volvo V70 R Wagon (NAC)

[Taka Mizutani]

Let me make this clear- I'm not defending the V70R by any means, I've
written quite a bit about the Haldex AWD on the list. You're also not
comparing apples to apples, that's the point. You're not finding a 530xi
manual for the same price, either.

Manual transmission 5 series are rare- making it an AWD wagon makes it that
much more rare. I'm glad I amuse you. Of course there is a reason why V70
pricing is what it is- it started at a lower price point, it has a lot less
appeal to the general public than a comparably priced SUV and they do have
issues. Same reason why Saab is bankrupt and gone.

What's really funny is that a guy asks about a $10-17k car on the list and
you tell him that it's not a good choice and he should really be looking at
a $35k car instead. That makes a lot of sense.


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:

>
>  Funny read...   I do car searches daily for a living Taka, there are
> many 535xi avants to be had in a 6speed manual (with clutch), and they are
> still valid models in the used BMW dealer searches.  Phenom machine.
> v70? I have a buddy at a volvo service shop that sells at least 1 a month.
> After 21 years with 'quattro', I'm not a fan of Haldex at all, esp in the
> volvos, but even in the TT.  It's part time awd best, the bmw xi series are
> full time awd.  Replace a haldex angle gear and or controller (BTDT), the
> volvo just doesn't seem worth the program, nor is it a known 'once and
> done' problem.  So much so, I'd consider a non turbo version of the bmw I6
> wagons first.
>
> Personally, I believe there is a reason the v70 pricing is where it is.
> Great brakes from the factory though, and I really did like the glove
> leather option in one I drove recently.
>
> Cheers
>
> Scott J
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
> Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>; gregsj2 <gregsj2 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Volvo V70 R Wagon (NAC)
>
>  I found 9 nationwide, only 3 that you can confirm visually that they are
> truly 3-pedal manual transmissions. Without that, you have no idea whether
> or not the car is a 6-speed steptronic or a real manual. Of course, they
> will pop up from time to time because they're still coming off lease and
> are available if you do a nationwide Manheim search. You'll almost never
> see a V70R on Manheim any more.
>
> No doubt that the 535xi Touring is a much better driving car. Also, there
> is a huge difference in price- you're talking about comparing a car that is
> in the $10-17k range versus a car that is $35-50k. For three times the
> money, I surely hope that it's a better car.
>
> For $50k I'd be looking at a late W211 E63 wagon, CTS-V wagon or a Cayenne
> Turbo.
>
> I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there is a significant difference
> in power potential between the N54 and N55.
>
> Taka
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  Sound interesting, I spoke to the twin turbo (used by definition)
>> version because it appeared greg was looking 'used' v70...  30 seconds into
>> cars.com just now, I found 4 535xi avant 6speeds.  I have brokered two
>> of these in the last two years, there were over 15 to choose from when I
>> brokered one last fall.  Don't do or read anything until you drive one.
>> Back to back to the v70, it's a no brainer.  IMO
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Scott J
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>> To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>> Cc: gregsj2 <gregsj2 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:33 am
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Volvo V70 R Wagon (NAC)
>>
>>  You have to get the N54 twin turbo engine to get over 400hp, so that limits
>> you to '07-09. Manual transmission 535xi Tourings are super-rare, BTW- I've
>> seen maybe 5 for sale in the last 1.5 yrs., nationally.
>>
>> N55 single turbo engines will not get to 400hp without a turbo swap.
>>
>> HPFP is a known issue, BMW warrants it to 100k but still has problems with
>> it.
>>
>> Lots more electrical issues with the E61- active roll bars go bad, iDrive
>> issues, etc. There are a million freaking electronic modules in those cars.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >  Nice motor, good brakes.  Haldex angle gear a known problem, as is the
>> > haldex controller.  S car upgrade wagon, going to the 'other' side?  BMW
>> > 535XI Avant 6speed.  Bone stock it's fast, with the Dinan chip and oil
>> > cooler upgrade, it will put down over 400hp.  BTDroveT.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Scott J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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