[s-cars] Volvo V70 R Wagon (NAC)

Mon Jan 23 15:22:29 PST 2012

A keyboard driver problem, I've seen it for years....  Amusing reads of internet summaries at best Taka. I enjoy driving and evaluating vehicles for folks that 'usually' come to me *after* they have done their research, and picked the machine already.  That said, instead of regurgitating known issues on the 'early' Touareg v10tdi, take the opportunity to drive one (I'm partial to the '07 myself).  Like the X5 before it that set the standard for on-road manners, that v10tdi is an impressive beast of the first order.  Anyone that regurgitates it's reviews, has just plain and simple, without question:  never driven one.  Compare it to *any* other machine, and it's tough to not respect it, whatever you read of it's flaws. 

I've urged many on this very forum, sir JNR included, to drive the v10tdi and type out the post-drive impression.  The swell of torque that thing builds, defies logic, physics and ego.  Kick those game-boy pedals out from under your desk Taka, give it a go!  ;)

Gotta pack for Steamboat, seems torsen boy is actually driving a torsen there this year <:"P

 SJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Volvo V70 R Wagon (NAC)

Now you're really being funny- an allroad? That's a huge POS- failing air
suspension, failing turbos, super high labor cost to service.

Then you talk about a V10 Touareg- an even bigger POS that has an even
worse problem with failing air suspension, lots of electrical issues.

You conveniently fail to address BMW's continual problem with HPFPs that
still hasn't been solved and the fact that the open deck block will fail
with regularity if you boost the engine much beyond the OE spec.

Stick to Audis- at least with the latest 40/60 torque split quattros and
the efficiency of the 2.0T and 3.0T engines, there is quite a decent
product to consider. 8-speed auto improves fuel efficiency tremendously and
the A5/S5 twins are some of the best looking coupes that you can buy for
reasonable money. The latest chassis A6/A7 is also a phenomenal car with
the 3.0T, yielding impressive mileage figures while posting decent
performance as well. The only thing that Audi has really dropped the ball
on are the lack of manual transmissions all over the line as well as lack
of real LSDs in the diffs.

If you think that dropping the ethanol subsidy will increase diesel sales
in the US, you have a pretty poor grasp of the energy market.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:

>
>  Move on Chicagoans, nothing to see here.  Funny stuff when reaching
> beyond the walls of one's comfort zone, into the world of S car
> competition.  The v70R just doesn't come to my mind, as driveline failures
> of the 01E are pretty much non-existent, so that's a tough nut to purposely
> acquire....  I suppose you could argue that O1E 1st gear is an issue, but I
> know many S car drivers that have been driving with that whine (excuse the
> pun) for over 100k miles without failure.  Having owned a GLH turbo, I
> could almost forgive the R turning radius of a tandem axle truck, but 30
> years later, that as an issue seems to bring a significant chuckle.
>
> I found the 6 speed to be good and well matched, the engine and brakes
> awesome in the R as well.  I too find the suspension somehow 'lost' in it's
> purpose or intent.  IME with yumps and haldex uncoupled, 'composed' isn't a
> word that comes to mind.  The S car may be "Miss Piggy in heels" (tm-me),
> but she stands well balanced in those heels in all types of weather/roads.
>
> I have driven many of the Allroads, brokered a few, almost pulled the
> trigger on one, but just didn't get the air suspension.  The 6speed and the
> 2.7tt engine didn't feel well matched, something maybe more hp would solve.
>  It didn't help either that I was in process of working an AllRoad and a
> 535xi wagon at the same time.  To the v10tdi, I put on this forum a few
> years ago too,  if you haven't driven one, you have lost a perspective of
> what massive torque can do to the soul of a bread and butter SUV.  And
> knocking back Scar-like mileage on road trips to boot.  I had almost 3
> weeks with one I brokered last year, and you got to the point where you
> would just race anything next to you for sport.  The looks on the faces of
> those not tuned to the tiny rear corner badge?  Priceless.
>
> Many years ago, on these very forums, I predicted once BMW got a firm
> grasp on the AWD concept, Audi would be in a pickle.  That time has come a
> couple years ago.  We can all argue about CAN bus, too many computers to
> break, etc, but at the end of the day, we will all get dragged into that
> world, as that's our collective future.  The 'other' good news is without
> the ethynol subsidy, we might even get to drive some darn right awesome
> diesel offerings from VAG and BMW.  Having spent significant time in both,
> I likes!
>
> In the meantime, whatever your 'price' point, driving the BMW series
> avants, sure makes me think that someone got the evolution of the Scar
> avant down much better than the originator.
>
> Cheers all
>
> Scott J
> A couple of 20vt engines...   none in S cars
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mtgadbois <mtgadbois at aol.com>
> To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 9:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Volvo V70 R Wagon (NAC)
>
>
>      Does this mean flame on!!  I haven't seen such good stuff since the
> discussion on Andouillette sausage!!
>
> Alright,
>
> Mark near Chicago
>
>
>
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