[V8] Timing Belt = Half Time Show

Wed Mar 21 23:11:57 EDT 2007

I'm sorry to hear of your tribulations.  I've done the job twice, but not
without a helper.  !st time without remove the front, 2nd removing it as
Tony did, w/o completely disconnecting everything.

Anyway, I would like to mention that there are torque specs for every bolt
there.  I used an inch-pound 1/4-inch drive wrench.  The torque specs are in
the repair manual, most on the page where it identifies all the bits and
pieces. 

I had to repair one stripped bolt on my 1st t-belt job.  It was from the
previous ham-fisted monkey-lad who repaired it when the t-belt broke at 85k
(b4 my ownership).  There is no better way to describe the mechanic(s) that
worked on my car then based on all the things I found.

Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com 
> [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Scott Simmons
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:34 PM
> To: Tony and Lillie
> Cc: V8 Audi Fans
> Subject: Re: [V8] Timing Belt = Half Time Show
> 
> 
> Tony,
> 
>     No personal attacks were intended in regards to the KB.  I truly 
> appreciate the time and effort that went into its creation and it has 
> helped me immensely.
> 
>     Oh yes, those inner nuts were a doozey.  One of those 
> "Okay, I can 
> sort of see them, now how the hell am I to get to them?" things.  It 
> makes me wonder how the belt was changed originally.  There's 
> no signs 
> that the bumper had been removed previously.  Had I had a 
> tool to remove 
> the fan clutch, I probably would not have removed the front 
> end either.
> 
>     I removed the two wires from the alternator and moved the entire 
> cover to another bay.  I'm going to clean up those wires and 
> clean out 
> the alternator while its off.  Had an oil leak dripping onto it until 
> recently.
> 
>     Any suggestions from the rest of y'all on how to get those lines 
> back on?  I've heard you're not supposed to use the bolt to 
> "pull them" 
> onto the radiator but I see no other way.....
> 
>     Also, the harmonic balancer and the crank pulley came off at once 
> and it appeared that they were one unit until reasoning dictated 
> otherwise.  They're pretty stuck together.  I have a feeling 
> I'm going 
> to need to separate them in order to get the belt on and 
> tensioned?  I 
> didn't pay much attention at the time (and car's locked up in 
> the shop) 
> but is the crankshaft keyed to the pulley?  I would imagine 
> it is so one 
> could determine TDC.
> 
>     My chrome didn't seem to want to come off with just those two 
> phillips removed and I didn't want to force it.  Do all those 
> other nuts 
> along the underside hold it on as well?  OR:  by off do you mean 
> completely off the car, or just off the rest of the body? 
> 
>     Going back and looking at the KB again, I can see that 
> the right cam 
> shifted for you as well.  It's hard to make out details on my 
> printed copy.
> 
>     Yes, the second bolt breaking was my own stupid fault.  
> Both times I 
> was getting in a rush and not paying proper attention to how 
> much torque 
> I was applying.  I might consider going back to the oil pump and 
> replacing the seal that's in there (I paid for it, why not?) that I 
> forgot about and properly torquing those allen head bolts (I think 
> they're over-torqued right now). 
> 
>     The water pump has been removed a couple times.  The Torx 
> bolts are 
> in there tight with a 1/4" ratchet (4.5" long) but I'm scared of that 
> thing leaking once the sucker's back together.  Oy.
> 
>     I am not planning on dicking with the camshaft sprockets (i.e. 
> loosening them for tensioning).  As long as I ensure a tight belt 
> between the sprockets and on the non-tensioned side, is this going to 
> cause any ill effects?
> 
> Another day in paradise,
> Scott Simmons
> 
> P.S. ~ once again, folks, thanks for the help. 
> 
> Tony and Lillie wrote:
> 
> > I wrote that article. It was very quick, and from someone a 
> little too
> > experienced to remember all the little details that really come up. 
> > Kent was actually kind enough to put it in the KB for me. So, with 
> > that in mind, I'm glad fdor the added insight. I'll go back and add 
> > some details you pointed out, and have it updated.
> >
> > As for the cam turning, that is somewhat normal. The cams 
> want to line
> > up where the least tension is on them, which is not always #1 TDC.
> >
> > Don't know about the crank lock tool. Mine was homemade. I only used
> > it to take off the crank bolt, then set it aside.
> >
> > I didn't use the crank lock tools either. I almost had the set
> > finished that I was building, but ended up in too much of a 
> hurry to 
> > finish them.
> >
> > My wiring on the front end is significantly different from the
> > factory, so I couldn't use it as a reference point. I've 
> relayed all 
> > the front lights and added 100W High beams.
> >
> > Those two nuts on the front bumper - oops. I forgot they are on some
> > cars still. Most have had them removed and thrown out. They are 
> > unnecessary. If you use the tow hook, it attaches directly 
> to the car.
> >
> > Glad you figured out the timing dots. I've taken some pics 
> since then
> > (didn't use them for that) and I'll add those as well.
> >
> > The chrome trim comes off with two philliips screws on each fender.
> > There is a pic in that writeup
> >
> > Also, I didn't remove the trans lines, as shown in the pics.
> >
> > As for the alternator, I didn't remove it from the cover. 
> Just put ot
> > to the side with the right TB cover.
> >
> > The radiator support should go back in fairly easily. I'm sure it's
> > not as easy as I remember, but I'm no He-Man, and I was 
> able to do the 
> > job myself. Not to say that a helper wouldn't have, well, helped a 
> > great deal at times.
> >
> > As for miller time, I've consumed plenty of Alcohol (Jack 
> or everclear
> > for me) to have enough patience for completing a project. 
> Just don't 
> > have so much you forget things ;-) I'll have to say the second bolt 
> > would have been about the end of my patience. Thankfully, I had no 
> > such problems, and was able to get mine done in two short 
> evenings as 
> > a result.
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Tony Hoffman
> >
> >
> 
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