[V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
too many quattros
thequattroking at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 9 23:32:11 PST 2008
amen.
Shayne
PARTING: 1972 Mercedes Benz 280 SE 4.5
PARTING: 1986 Audi 4000 CS quattro
> From: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:11:27 -0500
> To: JOHN DODD <jidodd at shaw.ca>
> Cc: V8 Audi Fans <v8 at audifans.com>, Scott Phillips <Scottp at ippe.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
>
> Before everyone goes marching out to match line levels... The output of
> a Bose head unit is NOT a simple line level left and right output of pos
> and neg. It is a blended output of left and right AND front to back that
> requires a specific 'decoupler' to match up to the individual amps. Even
> with the correct device the quality is not good. I've yet to hear one
> I've even liked for talk radio...
> Added to this is the fact that the stock speakers are absolutely nothing
> to write home about - and the newest ones are 15 years old for a 93.
> I like Bose - I've had 101s, 201s, 301s, 901s and currently have a set
> of AM5s at home. I have 2 V8s with perfectly working Bose systems and
> the system still sucks. The bass is way too high and muddy. You only
> start getting decent sound out of it when its cranked to nearly
> earsplitting levels with the bass dialed way back and the treble turned up.
>
> Reality is the only 'right way' to do this is to chuck the ENTIRE
> system, bypass the wiring and run everything new with at least 14 guage
> wiring. Go with Infinity Kappa and/or MB Quart. Add a sub if you want,
> amps too. Drop kick the crappy diversity antenna system and if you don't
> have a factory electric rip out the analog cell antenna which is already
> useless and put a nice one in there.
> Then select a decent head unit and call it a day.
>
> Dave Head
>
> JOHN DODD wrote:
>> Is there any use to hook anything to the line outputs if I use the harness ?(
>> I have no plans for a sub,too old for that )
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Scott Phillips <Scottp at ippe.com>
>>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:42 pm
>>
>> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
>>
>> To: JOHN DODD <jidodd at shaw.ca>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Yup.. and I too bought the reverse wiring kit.. I
>>
>>> installed a Porsche
>>
>>> CR-210 (98 911) radio in mine. Pict attached. And I kept
>>
>>> all the Bose
>>
>>> stuff too..
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Scott
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> From: JOHN DODD [mailto:jidodd at shaw.ca]
>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:39 PM
>>
>>> To: Scott Phillips
>>
>>> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
>>
>>> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Scott
>>
>>> I got it sort of figured out after I posted.It's the same
>>
>>> output as you
>>
>>> send to a sub.
>>
>>> In the meantime I found out that there is a Metra harness
>>
>>> available for
>>
>>> our car and in theory it should be really easy to do it by
>>
>>> crimping to
>>
>>> it the wires from the new stereo.Any idea if it was tried ?
>>
>>> thanks
>>
>>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>> From: Scott Phillips <Scottp at ippe.com>
>>
>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008 9:59 pm
>>
>>> Subject: RE: RE: [V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
>>
>>> To: JOHN DODD <jidodd at shaw.ca>
>>
>>
>>>> John,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> You're sort of correct.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> With the bose system in any bose equipped car, the factory
>>
>>> radio
>>
>>>> uses line level output and sends that signal to the amps to be
>>
>>>> amplified. As long as you re-create that signal to the amp's
>>
>>>> they don't care where its coming from.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> So you will NOT use the new decks "speaker" outputs they are
>>
>>>> already "high level", but you will need to make sure that the
>>
>>>> new deck as front AND rear line level outputs (RCA jacks).
>>
>>>> You'll then use a set of RCA patch cables with one end cut off
>>
>>>> and those wires to connect to the Audi's stock wiring. In
>>
>>>> addition to that the Stock deck provided power to turn on the
>>
>>>> amps, you'll need the "Remote" - (a blue wire typically) on
>>
>>> the
>>
>>>> new deck to tie into the Audi's wireing to give that
>>
>>> same
>>
>>>> power back to the amps so that they do turn on.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I do have a wiring diagram, but you do too (if you still have
>>
>>>> the stock radio) it's a sticker on the top of the factory
>>
>>> radio.
>>
>>>> if you dont have it LMK and I'll send a copy over.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Scott
>>
>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>>> From: JOHN DODD [mailto:jidodd at shaw.ca]
>>
>>>> Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 4:35 PM
>>
>>>> To: Scott Phillips
>>
>>>> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: RE: [V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Hi Scott
>>
>>>> to see if I get this right, the line level output from the new
>>
>>>> stereo is the output that goes to the speakers normally ?
>>
>>>> Also is there a schematic for the original bose so I can
>>
>>> figure
>>
>>>> out the assisgnment for each wire ?
>>
>>
>>>> thanks
>>
>>>> John
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>>> From: Scott Phillips <Scottp at ippe.com>
>>
>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008 7:05 am
>>
>>>> Subject: RE: [V8] planning a new stereo upgrade
>>
>>>> To: John Dodd <jidodd at shaw.ca>, v8 at audifans.com
>>
>>
>>>>> John,
>>
>>
>>>>> You can change the deck no problem (and keep the Bose
>>
>>> speakers and
>>
>>>>> amps). To do this you will need to use "Line level output" (RCA
>>
>>>>> Connectors) as the feeds to the Bose. One connector to each
>>
>>>> amp. Also
>>
>>>>> Don't forget the Blue Remote wire on the new deck will be
>>
>>>> needed
>>
>>>>> to turn
>>
>>>>> on the Bose Amps.
>>
>>
>>>>> Good Luck!
>>
>>
>>>>> Scott P
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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