[V8] Subject: Re: Window operation troubleshooting

[Ingo Rautenberg]

Down means they're energized and up means the power is shut off and the rear
switches are disabled.  Regardless of where the switch position is, you
should be able to operate the windows from the driver's armrest console.

On Aug 22, 2010 11:19 PM, "NIck Miller" <chance9121 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Err.... ooops . Ok! So, I can roll the rear window down with the rear
> window switch, but not the front window switch. Also, I think I put the
> wrong switch in, or something... because Up is down and down is up
relative
> to the rest of the switches. I had both rear armrests apart at the same
> time.
>
> Now any ideas? Lol. I'd like to operate all 4 windows from the drivers
> door, but the fact that it works is a huge improvement.
>
> Oh, also, do you guys depress the "lock" switch to lock the rears, or is
it
> up to lock them? That seems to be reverse of intrinisic too...
>
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Ingo Rautenberg <
ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Yup.
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2010 11:13 PM, "NIck Miller" <chance9121 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Wow I didn't even think of the rear lockout switch. I couldn't operate
it
>> > from the driver's door either. You mean the "Lock" button on the
drivers
>> > door, right? Maybe I'll go try that right now. JC....9
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Ingo Rautenberg <
>> ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> My guess (and I realise I'm late to the party) is you have either a
>> broken
>> >> wire in the driver's door jam wiring or the rear window lockout switch
>> is
>> >> bad.
>> >>
>> >> Ingo
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 22, 2010 11:02 PM, "NIck Miller" <chance9121 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Ok, a quick update. I got the rear Passenger side door out today,
and
>> >> took
>> >> > apart the regulator so I could pull the motor out separately. Took
it
>> >> into
>> >> > "The Lab" and opened it up. Everything was rusted/seized up pretty
>> bad.
>> >> > So I pulled it all apart, PB blaster, naval jelly, and a disc
sander,
>> and
>> >> a
>> >> > few other things and got it clean as a whistle, put it back together
>> and
>> >> > hooked it up to the car battery and it sung like it was new. Great.
>> >> >
>> >> > Got it back together with the regulator, ran the window up and down
>> and
>> >> it
>> >> > worked great. So, I then got the door back together, which took a
>> little
>> >> > while, and guess what! Doesn't work.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, the light to either rear window switch doesn't come on at all,
so
>> I'm
>> >> > guessing there is no power to the rear windows, which is maybe why
the
>> >> > motors seized, from not ever being used. The front switches all
light
>> up,
>> >> > as does the passenger side front.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any thoughts here guys? I'm going to apply power to the motor
tomorrow
>> >> > again and verify it does still work now, and check a few other
things,
>> >> but
>> >> > other than Fuses, any ideas?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:31 PM, NIck Miller <chance9121 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Well, one of my window motors is for sure seized... I took apart
the
>> >> rear
>> >> >> left passenger door and got the window motor off the regulator, the
>> >> stator
>> >> >> and rotor, I think it is, were rusted together. Got the center
>> section
>> >> out
>> >> >> and I'm using my disc sander on it. The magnets come apart too, so
>> >> >> hopefully I can fix it... we shall see. If not, need a new motor...
>> >> Looks
>> >> >> like both back ones are seized, not sure how so much moisture got
in
>> >> them,
>> >> >> maybe came back through the "drain" thing that doesn't seem to
work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:11 PM, <bw at udel.edu> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Don't forget there is a Rear Window Lockup on the driver's door
>> control
>> >> >>> panel. It is
>> >> >>> a long button.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have a problem of intermittent window and sunroof operation. It
>> works
>> >> >>> and then
>> >> >>> won't operate. Later they come back to life. Maybe a power thing,
>> >> because
>> >> >>> it comes
>> >> >>> back after time. This car also has a hot start problem that is
>> >> >>> intermittent. I believe
>> >> >>> the sensor work because they are new, but maybe a wiring problem
or
>> >> ECU. I
>> >> >>> can't
>> >> >>> test it myself. Bob
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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