Fw: [Vwdiesel] Re: amsoil and oil-getting OT

Wed Jul 23 12:08:18 EDT 2003

I think most of us are singing the same hymn, or at least are singing from
the same hymn book.

It costs me about $100Cdn/year to do 4-month changes with Rotella 15w40 dino
in warm weather and Rotella 0w40 synth in cold, with Mann filters.  I could
prob'ly  cut these costs in half, but won't.  It's not a great expense, so
I'll continue playing overkill.

BTW, if/when I sell my baby, next owner will prob'ly be more inclined to pay
a premium seeing documentation that I was anal and obsessive about
maintenance...

:o)
----- Original Message -----
From: "greg rich" <greg4vwparts at hotmail.com>
To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:33
Subject: [Vwdiesel] Re: amsoil and oil-getting OT

> A couple of things, (I am not an Amsoil dealer, but do use their product
in
> my TDI due to lack of oils here for it)
>
> Audi cars go 10000+ miles between oil changes, including the 1.8 turbo.
Some
> intervals they don't even change the filter, just oil! This is their own
> service shedule that is free for the first 50k miles. Yes, they use
> synthetic Castrol 5W50. Clearly you can go alot longer on todays
> oils/engines then people once thought. Same with the TDI, 10k intervals
with
> EGR!
>
> Amsoil stresses using their own filters (oil and air) for extended drain
> periods, using the bypass filter you could extend as long as the analysis
is
> okay, some people are going lifetime (300k miles+) with engine oil
(changing
> filters though)
>
> Amsoil does not make a filter for VW diesels, Hastings does which is not
> recommended for extended drain intervals (only SDF filters apply), infact
I
> am not sure they make any diesel oil filters (for cars that is).
>
> Everything that I have read at the tdiclub seems to support the fact that
> oil rarely breaks down, the by products that build up are the reason for
> changes. I have run winter beaters that would never see another owner
> without oil changes for long periods of time, like 30k miles winter
driving
> on regular oil, no problems (gas VWs), it would seem the industry is
taking
> us for granted with oil changes. I would not recommend this but I have
done
> it and never burned out an engine or caused any damage (took engines apart
> when finished with car)
> If you change your oil every 3-5k miles, your engine will clearly outlast
> the rest of the car and will probably die from some other cause, like
rust,
> a failed timing belt, overheating, oil starvation, failed emmissions, not
> related to oil changes but lack of maintenace or abusive driving. There is
> no demand for engines around here for cars over a certain age, the body
> rusts out before the engine dies!
> Most people could save a bundle on oil changes and invest it in
rustproofing
> and car washes so the rest of the car lasts as long as the engine!
> Enough babbling
> Greg
>
>
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> >Subject: vwdiesel digest, Vol 1 #683 - 4 msgs
> >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:00:53 -0400
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> >    1. Re: Amsoil (LBaird119 at aol.com)
> >    2. Re: Amsoil (TexasTDI)
> >    3. Fw: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil (Gerry Wolfe)
> >    4. Amsoil (TexasTDI)
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >From: LBaird119 at aol.com
> >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:17:43 EDT
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> >To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
> >
> >--
> >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >Amsoil does make a filter for the VW IDI.  Part number LF517.  But I
> >honestly don't trust aftermarket filters.  I only use OEM filters.
> >
> >
> >   Generally when Amsoil recommendes the long interval for oil change
they
> >recommend using their bypass filter.  They don't (or didn't anyway)
> >recommend
> >
> >the really long intervals without it.
> >      Loren
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 2
> >From: "TexasTDI" <TexasVWdriver at hotmail.com>
> >To: <LBaird119 at aol.com>
> >Cc: <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:50:29 -0600
> >
> >In a gasoline powered vehicle (no turbo) Amsoil recommends 1 year or 25k
> >miles as long as you use their oil filter, changing the oil filter at 6
> >months / 12,500 miles.  No oil-bypass system necessary.
> >
> >Gasoline powered vehicles (with a turbo) can go 6 months or "up to 3
times
> >as long as factory recommendations".  For example, the VW 1.8T is every
> >5000
> >miles.  By using Amsoil and an Amsoil filter you could extend it to 15k
> >miles.  No oil-bypass system necessary.
> >
> >Diesel powered vehicles (turbo and non-turbo) are 6 months or "twice the
> >factory recommendation".  But Amsoil also recommends oil analysis just to
> >make sure these extended intervals are safe in your situation.
> >
> >The oil by-pass system is a separate issue that can extend drain
intervals
> >even longer.  For example, there are people out there that routinely go
50k
> >miles between oil changes in their diesel vehicles thanks to the
oil-bypass
> >system.  I system that incorporates a separate by-pass filter that
filters
> >out even smaller particles and soot compared to the standard oil filter.
> >
> >Chris Thornton
> >1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 238k miles
> >2000 VW Golf 1.9TDI (turbo diesel) - 84k miles
> >Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
> >http://www.amsoil.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <LBaird119 at aol.com>
> >To: <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:17 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > Amsoil does make a filter for the VW IDI.  Part number LF517.  But I
> > > honestly don't trust aftermarket filters.  I only use OEM filters.
> > >
> > >
> > >   Generally when Amsoil recommendes the long interval for oil change
> >they
> > > recommend using their bypass filter.  They don't (or didn't anyway)
> >recommend the really      > long intervals without it.
> > >      Loren
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 3
> >From: "Gerry Wolfe" <gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca>
> >To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> >Subject: Fw: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:44:34 -0400
> >
> >Oil doesn't really wear out.
> >
> >It does pick up a bunch of byproducts-of-combustion that can create some
> >ugly acids etc. that are offset/neutralized by the additive packages.  I
> >can
> >see where overdoses of additives can  counteract this to allow for longer
> >drain intervals, and periodic testing can identify when these
neutralizers
> >have been used up.
> >
> >With a diesel, we also have soot being added to the oil.  I suspect these
> >are relatively inert, but they are solids.  Unless there were a bypass
> >filter, or unless you changed the main filter regularly, these would
> >increase over time and no amount of additional additives or testing would
> >remove them.  They can't be good for lubrication.
> >
> >For that reason, I stick with a 15w40 diesel-specific (cheal) dino oil
such
> >as a Rotella and change regularly instead of using a more expensive synth
> >changed less regularly.
> >
> >Over the winter, however, I treat my baby with a lighter-grade 5w40 or
0w40
> >(overkill for the Toronto Ontario winters) and acknowledge that synth
oils
> >are the only ones in this range.
> >
> >Just my $0.02 Cdn...
> >:o)
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <LBaird119 at aol.com>
> >To: <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:17
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > Amsoil does make a filter for the VW IDI.  Part number LF517.  But I
> > > honestly don't trust aftermarket filters.  I only use OEM filters.
> > >
> > >
> > >   Generally when Amsoil recommendes the long interval for oil change
> >they
> > > recommend using their bypass filter.  They don't (or didn't anyway)
> >recommend
> > >
> > > the really long intervals without it.
> > >      Loren
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> > > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 4
> >From: "TexasTDI" <TexasVWdriver at hotmail.com>
> >To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> >Subject: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:34:30 -0600
> >
> >Oil does "wear out".  If the Total Base Number (TBN) gets down too low (5
> >and below) the oil is starting to break down and no longer doing it's job
> >of
> >protecting the motor.
> >
> >Go to http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi for all you'll
> >ever
> >need or want to know about motor oil and other lubricants.
> >
> >  Chris Thornton
> >1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 238k miles
> >2000 VW Golf 1.9TDI (turbo diesel) - 85k miles
> >Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
> >http://www.amsoil.com
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gerry Wolfe" <gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca>
> > > To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:44 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: [Vwdiesel] Amsoil
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oil doesn't really wear out.
> > > >
> > > > It does pick up a bunch of byproducts-of-combustion that can create
> >some
> > > > ugly acids etc. that are offset/neutralized by the additive
packages.
> >I
> > > can
> > > > see where overdoses of additives can  counteract this to allow for
> >longer
> > > > drain intervals, and periodic testing can identify when these
> >neutralizers
> > > > have been used up.
> > > >
> > > > With a diesel, we also have soot being added to the oil.  I suspect
> >these
> > > > are relatively inert, but they are solids.  Unless there were a
bypass
> > > > filter, or unless you changed the main filter regularly, these would
> > > > increase over time and no amount of additional additives or testing
> >would
> > > > remove them.  They can't be good for lubrication.
> > > >
> > > > For that reason, I stick with a 15w40 diesel-specific (cheal) dino
oil
> > > such
> > > > as a Rotella and change regularly instead of using a more expensive
> >synth
> > > > changed less regularly.
> > > >
> > > > Over the winter, however, I treat my baby with a lighter-grade 5w40
or
> > > 0w40
> > > > (overkill for the Toronto Ontario winters) and acknowledge that
synth
> >oils
> > > > are the only ones in this range.
> > > >
> > > > Just my $0.02 Cdn...
> > > > :o)
> >
> >
> >
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