[Vwdiesel] Diesel Hagar the third person ??? .

[gary]

Well said!

My opinion exactly.

>From what I have read, it didn't turn out that GM's design of the
original 350 was so bad, but they under-designed the fuel filtration
system. Didn't take in account water in the fuel.

Then again, the Target Master replacement 350 Diesel is about as bullet
proof as any other.

-Gary in Orlando



On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 01:28, Tyler "Casioqv" Backman wrote:
> My 6.2 has never had any injector pump problems or leaks after 240k
> miles, and I am sure that it will never have any. It has never had any
> lubrication additive, and runs on #2 diesel, but will soon be running on
> Dual fuel Biodiesel/Vegoil. I often hear of problems with the Bosch
> injectors going out every couple hundred thousand miles, but not the
> injector pumps. I suspect that your friend's injector pump problems were
> likely due to using fuel with poor lubrication properties, or something
> such as water in the fuel, but not the result of a poor quality pump. My
> point is not that the 6.2 is better than some other motor, but that it
> isn't bad, and can provide a long trouble free service life. Almost
> every diesel motor in existence (especially the VW Diesel) has a bad
> reputation in many circles, and I think it is primairly because of
> problems that people have because they do not understand about, or how
> to take care of diesel engines in general. Even the 5.7 can last over
> 500k miles if well maintained. I did note that I would rather have a
> Cummins motor, but they are more expensive. I am also a big fan of the
> IH motor, but do not like many of the newer truck motors, because many
> of them use wet liners (worrying about anti-cavitation additives can be
> annoying), use electric injection (has many advantages, but I like to
> keep driving when I am in mexico 300 miles from the closest town, and I
> have my alternator go out), direct injection (does not work well with
> varying viscosities of fuel such as vegoil, which change the spray
> pattern, and can cause oil to wash of cylinders, or improper
> combustion), and they cost a lot more than a 20 year old 6.2. I
> understand that these newer motors (Powerstroke or Duramax) are possibly
> a better option for many people. My truck with Banks Turbo kit and
> Blackstone (Volvo) Intercooler puts out approx. 250hp and 450 ft*lb of
> torque, with a total investment of under $3000. A 6.9 puts out approx.
> 175hp and 365 ft*lb of torque stock, while a 1992 cummins puts out
> approx. 160hp and 400 ft*lb of torque stock. Basically, any of these 3
> motors is more powerful than the other 3 if turbocharged (and especially
> if intercooled), but all have similar power outputs from the factory.
> The 6.9 will likely produce the most peak horsepower, but the Cummins
> has a much better torque curve, and can get a much bigger trailer
> started at low rpms (the same motor is used in many commercial trucks).
> When I get some money, I would like to get a IH Traveler Turbo Diesel.
> Also, note that I do not race my 6.2, but tow trailers with it. A heavy
> duty diesel engine is not designed for running at high rpms. If you want
> to race, I will race your "ATS turbo'd 6.9" with my 300 horsepower 1800
> pound Porsche 914 when I get it done.
>
> -Tyler
>
> Shirley, Mark R wrote:
> > I don't want to start a flame war here, but you're going out on a limb
> > a little bit here with these statements.  Yes, the 6.2 was a VAST
> > improvement
> > over the 5.7D used in the very early GM diesel truck days (78-80 was it?)
> > But in terms of diesel desirability, there's
> > 1.  Cummins
> > 2.  Navistar/IH 6.9/7.3/PSD
> > 3.  GM 6.2/6.5
> >
> > Any towing forums I've ever read, the GM's were a distant third in
> > popularity
> > due in most part to the problems with the injector pumps, and lack of power.
> > Turbo kits do help a bunch, but even turbo'd, the IH and Cummins diesels
> > would
> > outpull them.  One has only to go to a truck pull and notice that Ford and
> > Dodge
> > are represented heavily, and the GM's are not.
> > One would hope that the new Duramax trucks will be a positive step for GM's
> > truck
> > image.
> > I have several aquaintences who are GM employees in the area, who have
> > bought GM
> > diesel trucks, both 6.2 and 6.5, and they are the cause of no end of
> > frustration
> > for these people.  One close friends' dad owns a 6.5 truck that's referred
> > to as
> > "The Turd"  because it's been through four injector pumps in 40,000 miles.
> > Only one
> > fellow is a big fan of them, mostly due to the fact he gets em dirt cheap.
> >
> > Oh, and I'll take you on with my ATS turbo'd 6.9 any day of the week.... :)
>
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