[Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin Ghia VW etc.

Sun Apr 9 22:26:01 EDT 2006

I don't know if some of the earlier TDIs had the old style bolt pattern, but all of the aluminum pan engines do.

The Ghia might get a tad tail-heavy, but puting the battery and rad up front would cure some of that.  It MIGHT just go in at 15 degrees, though, since the engine room was for the "upright" fan shroud - a bit more room maybe than a Vanagon.  Changing the ride height would not make any measureable difference in weight distribution (as in GRAMS, not Kgs).

However, if it is light weight, sports car and EASY installation you want, just get a Mk1 Scirocco and dump a TDI in there, and you have the best of both worlds (yeah, it is not a Ghia, but it sure is a lot easier and CHEAPER to do).  Not to mention things like cooling, heating and a/c work just fine with that setup (nearly bolt-in).

----- Original Message -----
From: David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, April 8, 2006 10:13 am
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin Ghia VW etc.

> Interesting.  I have been reading a similar list that
> talks about TDI conversions, with the major emphasis
> on putting them into Vanagons.
> 
> A lot (prob. at least half) of them go with a 50
> degree install, I don't know what they do about the
> oil pan though.  (That is what you were talking about
> having a different bolt patter, right?)
> 
> I doubt a TDI would to into the Karmann Ghia (if I
> even do it...) because that would probably add even
> more weight to the motor.  It would be insanely quick,
> though!  
> 
> Also, I don't really think that the decklid of a
> Karmann Ghia would require a 50 degree install, I
> think it would go in just fine with the "normal"
> angle, is that 15 degrees?
> 
> Is there any way to help deal with the understeer
> issues if adding more weight to the back?  I think a
> post '68 would have more desireable suspension (and
> probably be a cheaper car to buy).  What if you raised
> the back some and lowered the front a little?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> --- pmdolan at sasktel.net wrote:
> 
> > Just in case you want to do such a swap, you need to
> > know that the 50 degree TD pan does not fit the TDI,
> > different bolt pattern.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Thursday, April 6, 2006 8:56 am
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin Ghia
> > VW etc.
> > 
> > > Or you could just get a '68+ Karmann Ghia and the
> > > adaptor from Kennedy and put the regular 1.6
> > diesel
> > > in.
> > > 
> > > I actually think that the oil pan, pump, etc from
> > the
> > > 50 degree vanagon install are getting pretty
> > pricy. 
> > > TDI conversions into vanagons are gettting popular
> > and
> > > you need those parts to do it.
> > > 
> > > I liked the K.G. idea over a beetle because I
> > figured
> > > the engine decklid would fit the engine with no
> > > modification.  I don't know for sure, but the
> > beetle
> > > decklid only needed minor mods in the pic I saw
> > and a
> > > KG lid is much more squared off.
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- pmdolan at sasktel.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Oh, and I forgot to mention:  you need the oil
> > pan
> > > > from a 1.6 Vanagon diesel as well.  If you can
> > find
> > > > the bellhousing, the oil pan will be there.  I
> > think
> > > > you need the oil pump too, or maybe just press
> > the
> > > > pickup into another pump.  But, those things are
> > > > cheap and easily bought new.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:54 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin
> > Ghia
> > > > VW etc.
> > > > 
> > > > > Well, I have a spare gas vanagon bell housing,
> > I
> > > > could
> > > > > see if it will fit on the type 1 resto I have
> > been
> > > > > working on as well.  Not to sure if it will
> > fit,
> > > > but
> > > > > if it does, that is 90% of the battle, then
> > you
> > > > would
> > > > > just have to make the room in the KG engine
> > > > > compartment for Mr. 1.6l diesel.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bryan
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- Libbybapa at wmconnect.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > In a message dated 4/4/06 9:31:14 AM US
> > Mountain
> > > > > > Standard Time, rjs at bnl.gov 
> > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Does anybody know of any other off the
> > shelf
> > > > > > tranny adapters?  How about VW
> > > > > > > watercooled engine to VW aircooled
> > transaxle?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As mentioned, I know that the diesel vanagon
> > > > bell
> > > > > > housing will replace the 
> > > > > > 72+ type 2 bell housing and allow any
> > inline-4
> > > > to be
> > > > > > bolted up in the 50ï¿½ 
> > > > > > position requiring the diesel vanagon bell
> > > > housing
> > > > > > and iol pickup tube.  I am not 
> > > > > > sure, but suspect it would also replace the
> > type
> > > > 1
> > > > > > and type 3 bell housings for 
> > > > > > a similar effect.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > >
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