[Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin Ghia VW etc.
David Cook
vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com
Sun Apr 9 22:41:16 EDT 2006
I don't know if a TDI in a Scirocco would be much
easier or cheaper to do...
TDI engines are going at a premium right now, and I've
got a good 1.6 sitting in a Rabbit at my house that
isn't doing anything right now.
Sure the engine would bolt in much easier, but getting
the wiring figured out would be the problem. And if I
was going to go Scirocco, I'd much rather go with a
Corrado, which is something I want to do anyway. I
prefer a Corrado's looks over a Scirocco anyday.
(Sorry Eric S!)
The only real issue on a KG would be the cooling, and
I was originally thinking that a Fox radiator on the
side of the engine compartment would do the trick.
But then, I wasn't thinking of weight and steering
issues. I was thinking of how fun it would be to have
built the only diesel Karmann Ghia.
Maybe I'll do it, and have the spare tire filled with
cement. But then, I'd have to add an electric pump to
the windshield washer reservior! LOL
I had the heater all worked out mentally too, and it
was even going to use the stock controls.
I'll just make sure that I top off the fuel tank often
if I'm going to go racing around curves!
I just wonder how much of a difference this would make
in real life, if we aren't worrying over nothing
significant? I dunno.
How much does a diesel engine weigh with oil/coolant?
How about a type one engine?
David
--- pmdolan at sasktel.net wrote:
> I don't know if some of the earlier TDIs had the old
> style bolt pattern, but all of the aluminum pan
> engines do.
>
> The Ghia might get a tad tail-heavy, but puting the
> battery and rad up front would cure some of that.
> It MIGHT just go in at 15 degrees, though, since the
> engine room was for the "upright" fan shroud - a bit
> more room maybe than a Vanagon. Changing the ride
> height would not make any measureable difference in
> weight distribution (as in GRAMS, not Kgs).
>
> However, if it is light weight, sports car and EASY
> installation you want, just get a Mk1 Scirocco and
> dump a TDI in there, and you have the best of both
> worlds (yeah, it is not a Ghia, but it sure is a lot
> easier and CHEAPER to do). Not to mention things
> like cooling, heating and a/c work just fine with
> that setup (nearly bolt-in).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 8, 2006 10:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin Ghia
> VW etc.
>
> > Interesting. I have been reading a similar list
> that
> > talks about TDI conversions, with the major
> emphasis
> > on putting them into Vanagons.
> >
> > A lot (prob. at least half) of them go with a 50
> > degree install, I don't know what they do about
> the
> > oil pan though. (That is what you were talking
> about
> > having a different bolt patter, right?)
> >
> > I doubt a TDI would to into the Karmann Ghia (if I
> > even do it...) because that would probably add
> even
> > more weight to the motor. It would be insanely
> quick,
> > though!
> >
> > Also, I don't really think that the decklid of a
> > Karmann Ghia would require a 50 degree install, I
> > think it would go in just fine with the "normal"
> > angle, is that 15 degrees?
> >
> > Is there any way to help deal with the understeer
> > issues if adding more weight to the back? I think
> a
> > post '68 would have more desireable suspension
> (and
> > probably be a cheaper car to buy). What if you
> raised
> > the back some and lowered the front a little?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > --- pmdolan at sasktel.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just in case you want to do such a swap, you
> need to
> > > know that the 50 degree TD pan does not fit the
> TDI,
> > > different bolt pattern.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Thursday, April 6, 2006 8:56 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in Karmin
> Ghia
> > > VW etc.
> > >
> > > > Or you could just get a '68+ Karmann Ghia and
> the
> > > > adaptor from Kennedy and put the regular 1.6
> > > diesel
> > > > in.
> > > >
> > > > I actually think that the oil pan, pump, etc
> from
> > > the
> > > > 50 degree vanagon install are getting pretty
> > > pricy.
> > > > TDI conversions into vanagons are gettting
> popular
> > > and
> > > > you need those parts to do it.
> > > >
> > > > I liked the K.G. idea over a beetle because I
> > > figured
> > > > the engine decklid would fit the engine with
> no
> > > > modification. I don't know for sure, but the
> > > beetle
> > > > decklid only needed minor mods in the pic I
> saw
> > > and a
> > > > KG lid is much more squared off.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- pmdolan at sasktel.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, and I forgot to mention: you need the
> oil
> > > pan
> > > > > from a 1.6 Vanagon diesel as well. If you
> can
> > > find
> > > > > the bellhousing, the oil pan will be there.
> I
> > > think
> > > > > you need the oil pump too, or maybe just
> press
> > > the
> > > > > pickup into another pump. But, those things
> are
> > > > > cheap and easily bought new.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: 82 Diesel Westy
> <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:54 am
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel engine in
> Karmin
> > > Ghia
> > > > > VW etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I have a spare gas vanagon bell
> housing,
> > > I
> > > > > could
> > > > > > see if it will fit on the type 1 resto I
> have
> > > been
> > > > > > working on as well. Not to sure if it
> will
> > > fit,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > if it does, that is 90% of the battle,
> then
> > > you
> > > > > would
> > > > > > just have to make the room in the KG
> engine
> > > > > > compartment for Mr. 1.6l diesel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bryan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Libbybapa at wmconnect.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 4/4/06 9:31:14 AM US
> > > Mountain
> > > > > > > Standard Time, rjs at bnl.gov
> > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anybody know of any other off the
> > > shelf
> > > > > > > tranny adapters? How about VW
> > > > > > > > watercooled engine to VW aircooled
> > > transaxle?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As mentioned, I know that the diesel
> vanagon
> > > > > bell
> > > > > > > housing will replace the
> > > > > > > 72+ type 2 bell housing and allow any
> > > inline-4
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > bolted up in the 50�
> > > > > > > position requiring the diesel vanagon
> bell
> > > > > housing
> > > > > > > and iol pickup tube. I am not
> > > > > > > sure, but suspect it would also replace
> the
> > > type
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > and type 3 bell housings for
> > > > > > > a similar effect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > > >
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